Is it purely that one relates to human beings and the other to animals i.e you get different breeds of dog and different races of human.
Yes..
In Norway we use race on both humans and animals, but as I understand - english doesn't operate with a dog-race
In Norway we use race on both humans and animals, but as I understand - english doesn't operate with a dog-race
But if one dogs hates another it is said to be a natural conflict between the breeds but if humans do it, it's racism? I wouldn't like to try calling someone of mixed race a mongrel though would you, ouch.....
Hehe - that is a not so appropriate comparison between the intellect/instinct of an animal and a human=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:
But if one dogs hates another it is said to be a natural conflict between the breeds but if humans do it, it's racism? I wouldn't like to try calling someone of mixed race a mongrel though would you, ouch.....
Yes...this is true. Is there a discussion topic?RicardoBlanco wrote:
Is it purely that one relates to human beings and the other to animals i.e you get different breeds of dog and different races of human.
I'd argue instinct is instinct regardless of whether you are human or an animal...Animals will instinctively defend their territory and so do humans, I'm sure there are many other similarities.Friluftshund wrote:
Hehe - that is a not so appropriate comparison between the intellect/instinct of an animal and a human=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:
But if one dogs hates another it is said to be a natural conflict between the breeds but if humans do it, it's racism? I wouldn't like to try calling someone of mixed race a mongrel though would you, ouch.....
Yes - but is there a natural conflict between races, or is there a natural conflict between humans in general?RicardoBlanco wrote:
I'd argue instinct is instinct regardless of whether you are human or an animal...Animals will instinctively defend their territory and so do humans, I'm sure there are many other similarities.Friluftshund wrote:
Hehe - that is a not so appropriate comparison between the intellect/instinct of an animal and a human=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:
But if one dogs hates another it is said to be a natural conflict between the breeds but if humans do it, it's racism? I wouldn't like to try calling someone of mixed race a mongrel though would you, ouch.....
OK here goes...Pug wrote:
Yes...this is true. Is there a discussion topic?RicardoBlanco wrote:
Is it purely that one relates to human beings and the other to animals i.e you get different breeds of dog and different races of human.
Can an animal be racist?
Discuss...
I'd say there's a natural conflict between races, hence our national borders. People within those borders tend to get on ok...Friluftshund wrote:
Yes - but is there a natural conflict between races, or is there a natural conflict between humans in general?RicardoBlanco wrote:
I'd argue instinct is instinct regardless of whether you are human or an animal...Animals will instinctively defend their territory and so do humans, I'm sure there are many other similarities.Friluftshund wrote:
Hehe - that is a not so appropriate comparison between the intellect/instinct of an animal and a human
Surely Race is where you are born and breed is what you are born as.
Isn't gender what you're born 'as'...Zeon. wrote:
Surely Race is where you are born and breed is what you are born as.
Hm... what about different races in one country?RicardoBlanco wrote:
I'd say there's a natural conflict between races, hence our national borders. People within those borders tend to get on ok...Friluftshund wrote:
Yes - but is there a natural conflict between races, or is there a natural conflict between humans in general?RicardoBlanco wrote:
I'd argue instinct is instinct regardless of whether you are human or an animal...Animals will instinctively defend their territory and so do humans, I'm sure there are many other similarities.
No - confrontation is a natural human trait imo, but I do not believe it to be a race-thing. I believe it to be a human thing...
Unless you're talking about class...i.e middle class, working class etcZeon. wrote:
Surely Race is where you are born and breed is what you are born as.
Trick question - Yes - humans are animals.RicardoBlanco wrote:
OK here goes...
Can an animal be racist?
Discuss...
You aren't asking that though.
Racism is a learned behavior.
I remember my neighbor training his dog to try to bite this other neighbor by using a dog whistle - he would blow the whistle with aggressive behavior and then eventually blew it every time this other guy walked by. Pretty much after that the dog hated that guy, just like his owner.
I think you're about to say yes, animals are racist...I'm going to agree to disagree right now. My argument will be based on I think this is a ridiculous idea. I'm don't believe you can humanize animals enough to be racist.
Why is this topic important to you?
There are varying schools of thought concerning "race". Scientifically, there is only the human race and there are varying ethnicities within it.
However, breed is very different because of the origin of the word itself. Some animals (most notably dogs) were specifically bred by humans, from wolves, to create the different varieties. Thus the term breed. You can't say the same for humans (although there are some historical examples). And you can's say the same for many animals. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of different types of birds. But, no one refers to them as breeds, because they were not bred to be that way. They are different species.
So, there are no breeds of humans, only different ethnicities.
However, breed is very different because of the origin of the word itself. Some animals (most notably dogs) were specifically bred by humans, from wolves, to create the different varieties. Thus the term breed. You can't say the same for humans (although there are some historical examples). And you can's say the same for many animals. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of different types of birds. But, no one refers to them as breeds, because they were not bred to be that way. They are different species.
So, there are no breeds of humans, only different ethnicities.
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I see your point but we've got national borders for a reason. I think humans can live quite happily with people they consider their 'own' whereas if you try and mingle them conflict appears to start. Call me old fashioned but if everyone stayed in the country they were from and only really travelled for work and holidays the world would be a more peaceful place.Friluftshund wrote:
Hm... what about different races in one country?RicardoBlanco wrote:
I'd say there's a natural conflict between races, hence our national borders. People within those borders tend to get on ok...Friluftshund wrote:
Yes - but is there a natural conflict between races, or is there a natural conflict between humans in general?
No - confrontation is a natural human trait imo, but I do not believe it to be a race-thing. I believe it to be a human thing...
I disagree. People will always find a reason for conflict. More Americans died in the Civil War than all the other wars combined. That was a war fought by people of mostly European backgrounds. The same holds true in most other countries concerning "civil wars" (that's an oxymoron). Hell, look what's happening in Iraq between the Shites and the Sunni. They are all of the same race. But yesterday, some Sunni gunmen stopped a schoolbus and killes 20+ students (all Shites or Kurds) and spared the 4 Sunni Students.RicardoBlanco wrote:
I see your point but we've got national borders for a reason. I think humans can live quite happily with people they consider their 'own' whereas if you try and mingle them conflict appears to start. Call me old fashioned but if everyone stayed in the country they were from and only really travelled for work and holidays the world would be a more peaceful place.Friluftshund wrote:
Hm... what about different races in one country?RicardoBlanco wrote:
I'd say there's a natural conflict between races, hence our national borders. People within those borders tend to get on ok...
No - confrontation is a natural human trait imo, but I do not believe it to be a race-thing. I believe it to be a human thing...
I wouldn't like to tell a Hardcore Shiite or Sunni that they were same race, they might disagree with you on that one.....Psycho wrote:
I disagree. People will always find a reason for conflict. More Americans died in the Civil War than all the other wars combined. That was a war fought by people of mostly European backgrounds. The same holds true in most other countries concerning "civil wars" (that's an oxymoron). Hell, look what's happening in Iraq between the Shites and the Sunni. They are all of the same race. But yesterday, some Sunni gunmen stopped a schoolbus and killes 20+ students (all Shites or Kurds) and spared the 4 Sunni Students.RicardoBlanco wrote:
I see your point but we've got national borders for a reason. I think humans can live quite happily with people they consider their 'own' whereas if you try and mingle them conflict appears to start. Call me old fashioned but if everyone stayed in the country they were from and only really travelled for work and holidays the world would be a more peaceful place.Friluftshund wrote:
Hm... what about different races in one country?
No - confrontation is a natural human trait imo, but I do not believe it to be a race-thing. I believe it to be a human thing...
I would not be happy with limiting myself to people exactly like me. There's too much to learn from people's differences. More differences = more opportunities to learn and become a progressive society.RicardoBlanco wrote:
I see your point but we've got national borders for a reason. I think humans can live quite happily with people they consider their 'own' whereas if you try and mingle them conflict appears to start. Call me old fashioned but if everyone stayed in the country they were from and only really travelled for work and holidays the world would be a more peaceful place.
Check out the great english author Thomas More's book Utopia. One of the themes is without conflict (in this case not "war") there is complacency.
So its not racism now its breedism.
The correct term is cline. . . when refering to human populations. Humans are not bred. Their differences are due to environmental adaptation and isolation within those geographic regions they migrated to. Cline represents diversity within a genome but there is only one specie though.
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If religion were instinctive I'd tend to agree with you, but it's not (or is that a whole other debate?). They're fighting over religion. As for your comment on number of deaths in the american civil war, it's plain wrong...in WW2 5.5 million jews alone died. I believe the WW1 figure for casualties was roughly 18 million...only 700,000 died in the american civil war.Psycho wrote:
I disagree. People will always find a reason for conflict. More Americans died in the Civil War than all the other wars combined. That was a war fought by people of mostly European backgrounds. The same holds true in most other countries concerning "civil wars" (that's an oxymoron). Hell, look what's happening in Iraq between the Shites and the Sunni. They are all of the same race. But yesterday, some Sunni gunmen stopped a schoolbus and killes 20+ students (all Shites or Kurds) and spared the 4 Sunni Students.RicardoBlanco wrote:
I see your point but we've got national borders for a reason. I think humans can live quite happily with people they consider their 'own' whereas if you try and mingle them conflict appears to start. Call me old fashioned but if everyone stayed in the country they were from and only really travelled for work and holidays the world would be a more peaceful place.Friluftshund wrote:
Hm... what about different races in one country?
No - confrontation is a natural human trait imo, but I do not believe it to be a race-thing. I believe it to be a human thing...
I completely agree with you, good points well made. It appears to be an ideal though, much like communism, it aint going to work in practise. I love travelling and use this as a way of forming my opinions on people. I don't impose myself on their country or beliefs, just watch and learn...Pug wrote:
I would not be happy with limiting myself to people exactly like me. There's too much to learn from people's differences. More differences = more opportunities to learn and become a progressive society.RicardoBlanco wrote:
I see your point but we've got national borders for a reason. I think humans can live quite happily with people they consider their 'own' whereas if you try and mingle them conflict appears to start. Call me old fashioned but if everyone stayed in the country they were from and only really travelled for work and holidays the world would be a more peaceful place.
Check out the great english author Thomas More's book Utopia. One of the themes is without conflict (in this case not "war") there is complacency.
I guess you haven't read the book then - another theme is why it's not obtainable or desirable.RicardoBlanco wrote:
I completely agree with you, good points well made. It appears to be an ideal though, much like communism, it aint going to work in practise. I love travelling and use this as a way of forming my opinions on people. I don't impose myself on their country or beliefs, just watch and learn...
Also, I'm not quite sure I get you yet. I've read some of your posts which may disagree with the "I don't impose myself..." comment you made.
So I'm befuddled here, and I'm waiting to see if you are posting this thread to play devil's advocate or are you arguing for your beliefs.
So what is it?
Devil's Advocate, and I don't understand what you mean about "I've read some of your posts which may disagree with the "I don't impose myself..." comment you made."............such as?Pug wrote:
I guess you haven't read the book then - another theme is why it's not obtainable or desirable.RicardoBlanco wrote:
I completely agree with you, good points well made. It appears to be an ideal though, much like communism, it aint going to work in practise. I love travelling and use this as a way of forming my opinions on people. I don't impose myself on their country or beliefs, just watch and learn...
Also, I'm not quite sure I get you yet. I've read some of your posts which may disagree with the "I don't impose myself..." comment you made.
So I'm befuddled here, and I'm waiting to see if you are posting this thread to play devil's advocate or are you arguing for your beliefs.
So what is it?