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Poll

Should America close military bases and stop aid to EU?

Close them all and stop aid.25%25% - 50
Just close bases now that they don't need protection.16%16% - 32
Just cut aid.7%7% - 14
Lower number of bases and aid.10%10% - 21
Lower just bases.5%5% - 10
Lower aid.3%3% - 6
Just cut the French out.32%32% - 65
Total: 198
2006-06-02 06:42:20
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7007|UK

morecullions wrote:

thats your probelm moron these arent thoeries they are documented historical facts.. and all you did was name some books you claim you found that information in ... how about some proof i can see ? it doesnt exist except maybe on some conspiracy theory bullshit. why cant you provide some hard facts i can see ? this is the fuckin internet if youre talkin about facts then its easily enough found .. i tried its not out there dumbass.
how can it be fact if it didnt even happen and it was simple in the mind of 1 person who didnt actually ever tell anyone so actually MORON they ARE theory's, i have provide 7 books for you to read, the internet is THEE most inaccurate resource in the world. Now seeing as i quote Stalin's Biography you should realy go read it or admit that your an idiot.

edit - as Xietsu said they are hypothetical theories.

Last edited by Vilham (2006-06-02 06:47:09)

2006-06-02 09:35:00
morecullions
Member
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Man youre so stupid Xietsu never said they were thoeries ..maybe you dont understand english. he said hypothetical altercations thats in refrence to the bases in europe.

You cant find anything supporting your bullshit..they are NOT thoeries its well documented that Churchill and FDR were pushing for an unconditional surrender. Its documented that one of FDR's goals of the Tehran confrence was to reinforce into Stalin that they would only accept an uncondtional surrender. Why? becuase it was expresed in letters and in mettings that Stalin might consider a cease-fire.

Keep talking about some books that dont even contain the bullshit you are talking about. Ive read enough ww2 books and took history in college so i dont need to go out and read some 500 page book to find out what i allready know.. and that is that you are a fucking retard

you cant find anything that backs up your bullshit ..blame the internet for being a bad source ? moron ...

Last edited by morecullions (2006-06-02 09:38:35)

2006-06-02 10:08:01
Vilham
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+580|7007|UK
i have given you 7 books and you claim i "cant fing anything that backs up" the theory i believe. your getting more stupid the older you get it seems, you say that they dont contain any evidence, you havent read them you idiot how the hell would you know whats in them, and you also wrote i havent found anything supporting it and yet i have in a previous post put in a direct quote.. again the word idiot springs to mind, and from your own words "becuase it was expresed in letters and in mettings that Stalin might consider a cease-fire." you just proved my point, idiot. guess you got a F in your history then...
2006-06-02 10:10:35
morecullions
Member
+5|6782
why cant you find any evidence ?

oh yeah those books you keep mentioning... why cant you provide anything right now ? youre a fuckin retard kid youre wrong and im done with you ... you cant provide ANYTHING
2006-06-02 10:14:22
Sh1fty2k5
MacSwedish
+113|6951|Sweden

Vilham wrote:

Stalin : A Biography
Adolf Hitler : The Definitive Biography
Pegasus Bridge - D-day: the daring british airbourne raid
D-day by Steven E. Ambrose
First Light
End of the Beginning
Stalingrad
Alamein: War without hope
Berlin
There you go
2006-06-02 10:16:10
Vilham
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+580|7007|UK

Sh1fty2k5 wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Stalin : A Biography
Adolf Hitler : The Definitive Biography
Pegasus Bridge - D-day: the daring british airbourne raid
D-day by Steven E. Ambrose
First Light
End of the Beginning
Stalingrad
Alamein: War without hope
Berlin
There you go
lol nice job.
2006-06-02 10:29:29
morecullions
Member
+5|6782
bunch of book titles nothing more meaningless..

youd have some proof from the internet but as we all know theres no information on the internet

youre lacking in common sense even contemplating that this was possible. aside from every historical webiste that backs me up several of my friends have the same contention ..and that is anyone who thinks stalin would ally with hitler after he attacked is a true fucking idiot

go ahead quote one of those books

Last edited by morecullions (2006-06-02 10:34:09)

2006-06-02 10:31:02
Vilham
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+580|7007|UK

morecullions wrote:

bunch of book titles nothing more meaningless..

youd have some proof from the internet but as we all know theres no information on the internet

youre lacking in common sense even contemplating that this was possible. aside from every historical webiste that backs me up several of my friends have the same contention ..and that is anyone who thinks stalin would ally with hitler after he attacked is a true fucking idiot
so one web address is full and uter proof now is it. lol you make me laugh.
2006-06-02 10:34:29
morecullions
Member
+5|6782
yeah one .. or 20

it is a relatively obscure refrnce but what is well documented is that they only wanted unconditional surrender and that stalin was the only one who needed convincing of that.

i can give you a thousand websites that talk about convincing stalin of uncondtional surrender i can only find a few that mention him contemplating a cease fire becuase it was so minor and never literal only alluded to.

why cant you find a website ? why keep listing some books im not going to go out and read ? how about a paraphrase where it substantiates your opinion ?

if it was a FACT then a website would be readily avaiable ... why cant you provide it ? cuz its fuckin bullshit

Last edited by morecullions (2006-06-02 10:41:16)

2006-06-02 11:32:57
Vilham
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+580|7007|UK
The fact that you can find website thats mention a cease fire and the fact that its talked about in all major books about D-day itself and the russian front, as well as stalins biography just shows that it is a theory out there, and for gods sake stop trying to claim anythiong about it is fact, have you read stalins mind? have you read hitlers mind? did it happen anyway? No to all of those and therefore it is theory. If you even try to deny that your a cretin.
2006-06-02 11:37:20
voltage
Member
+46|7082|Sweden
I don't want US out of Europe but I think it makes most economical and military sense for US to close/move the bases elsewhere. In fact, also US bases should be closed if they are not needed (I think this is already taking place). Military bases shouldn't be kept simply to help the local economy. Set up new bases in Iraq and Afghanistan instead.
2006-06-02 11:52:43
Sorcerer0513
Member
+18|6783|Outer Space

morecullions wrote:

bunch of book titles nothing more meaningless..

youd have some proof from the internet but as we all know theres no information on the internet

youre lacking in common sense even contemplating that this was possible. aside from every historical webiste that backs me up several of my friends have the same contention ..and that is anyone who thinks stalin would ally with hitler after he attacked is a true fucking idiot

go ahead quote one of those books
ROTFLMFAO . If it's on teh Internet, it MUST be true. The Internet is THE only reliable source .

Now, I don't claim his theory is correct, as I have no idea if it is(I'm mostly interested in WW2 tech, not politics), but your claims that if it's not on the Internet, then it must be false is absolutely hilarious.

But if you insist: http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/6597-10.cfm

Last edited by Sorcerer0513 (2006-06-02 12:39:38)

2006-06-02 13:33:06
morecullions
Member
+5|6782
if its a fact of a prevalent theory then there would have to be at least one credible website out there that states the same thing ...

several things wrong with that link.

1.johnsons list is just a website that translates ANYTHING into english
2.that is a excerpt from a book by Vladimir Karpov who is a crackhead anti semite and pro stalinist weirdo
2006-06-02 13:37:33
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,979|6873|949

morecullions wrote:

if its a fact of a prevalent theory then there would have to be at least one credible website out there that states the same thing ...

several things wrong with that link.

1.johnsons list is just a website that translates ANYTHING into english
2.that is a excerpt from a book by Vladimir Karpov who is a crackhead anti semite and pro stalinist weirdo
Starting a second account to get around a ban is against the rules...
2006-06-02 15:05:46
Mackaronen
Member
+18|6878|Uppland, Sweden
Back to topic!
The US have bases in europe for strategic reasons. US is not the only one to aid countrys in europe, most european countrys chip in, at least those that can afford to. The US did not win WW2 single handed, all the allies did it together. But the US makes better movies about it, and in those movies the rest of the allies are often forgotten. And on the upcoming tuesday (6 june) i think we all should take a minute and remember all the soldiers that fought and died in the greatest and most importante battle of all times, Operation Overlord.
2006-06-02 16:58:53
morecullions
Member
+5|6782
watch thin red line if you havent then
2006-06-02 17:20:47
Sorcerer0513
Member
+18|6783|Outer Space

morecullions wrote:

if its a fact of a prevalent theory then there would have to be at least one credible website out there that states the same thing ...

several things wrong with that link.

1.johnsons list is just a website that translates ANYTHING into english
2.that is a excerpt from a book by Vladimir Karpov who is a crackhead anti semite and pro stalinist weirdo
True, but you see I posted this, because I knew you would say that. This link I posted shows you, that anyone can put anything on the internet. That does not mean that it is the truth.

You see, it pisses me off that you say "if it was a FACT then a website would be readily avaiable ... why cant you provide it ? cuz its fuckin bullshit". The site is available, but does that make it fact? I think not.

TBH, I agree with you more on this particular subject. I find it hard to believe that Stalin would ally with Hitler after he stabbed him in the back. But who am I to know what Stalin was thinking? Unlike you, I keep an open mind though. I have not read the books Vilham mentioned, so I cannot comment on that particular theory. You have not read them eiter, by your own admittance, yet you are more than willing to pass judgement on it.

And that's what bothers me. We proved you wrong on aid to EU, so you picked on this. And when Vilham named a few books to support his claim, you said "bunch of book titles nothing more meaningless..". How exactly do you know that, if you never read them?

But that doesn't really matter, does it? No matter what anyone says, you will always find something to come back at them, and try to prove that you and you alone are right, and anything anyone else says is bullshit.

Well, you know what they say: "Never argue with an idiot, they'll drag you to their level, and beat you with experience".



P.S. I refuse to go down to your level and start calling you names and stuff(except in the quote above), so I shall now retire from this topic unless someone comes up with something relevant to the poll or OP's post. Arguing with you further would be foolish on my part.
2006-06-02 20:00:52
morecullions
Member
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actually i proved on several occasions that we do in fact prove aid to countries in the EU. most of it is private organizations.

simply put im not talking about a thoery of what stalin was thinking. its just been documented before and during the tehran confrence that the allies discussed terms of surrender, it was in refrence to ignoring other possibilities of surrender.

Bottom line IS if hes spouting a FACT then he should be able to find it on the net ? should i have to go read whatever book he says to find this information ? does this information not exist anywhere but the book he specified ? IF this was a real event it would be much more documented.

now go read the book Extraterrestrial Intelligence

there i said a book title now aliens exist untill you read it

Last edited by morecullions (2006-06-02 20:09:18)

2006-06-03 04:25:43
Vilham
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morecullions wrote:

actually i proved on several occasions that we do in fact prove aid to countries in the EU. most of it is private organizations.

simply put im not talking about a thoery of what stalin was thinking. its just been documented before and during the tehran confrence that the allies discussed terms of surrender, it was in refrence to ignoring other possibilities of surrender.

Bottom line IS if hes spouting a FACT then he should be able to find it on the net ? should i have to go read whatever book he says to find this information ? does this information not exist anywhere but the book he specified ? IF this was a real event it would be much more documented.

now go read the book Extraterrestrial Intelligence

there i said a book title now aliens exist untill you read it
FOR THE LAST TIME

these theory's never happened SO that means the are THEORY'S do you know what that means FFS. I have never claimed it to be FACT, you realy are a moron, i dont try to claim whether aliens exist or not because they have never been encountered but that doesnt discredit peoples theory' because you have NO imagination. A typical grade A moron.
2006-06-07 08:12:54
raph[BOSS]
Lost My Connection Once Again
+19|6806|France / España
US GO HOME ! ! ! !

Start sending your kids to school and stop sending them to war... NOW !

And leave the other country live their life the way they want ... even if you don't like it and even if they have oil or weapons as you psychos do...

Why don't we attack the us for having nuclear weapons and chemical weapons ?

Isn't guantanamo just like a Saddam Hussein jail ?

What the hell is doing the UN ?

Why is there no Embargo agaist US ?

Did G.W Bush swear on the bible... the one that says "thou shall not kill" ??? He will sure burn in hell.

Hummmm...

!!!  STOP THE MADNESS  !!!
2006-06-07 08:43:01
PekkaA
Member
+36|6906|Finland
Didn´t bother reading all 10 pages, but anyways I voted to stop all "aid" and close bases. I think after WWII usa has made much more damage than good "helping" and "liberating" other countries. You just stick your fingers to every soup, and when it gets too hot you bail, leaving much worse situation behind.
2006-06-08 11:26:02
LoMaX
Member
+24|6776|Sweden is banned from hell ;)

yuck7777 wrote:

Seeing that a lot of European's are against America. Should America Close bases and stop aid to the EU or just lower the number of bases and aid?
Yes, I know not all countrys get aid. I'm talking about ones that do!!
And don't forget aid from other groups..Not just Gov.
What the Fuck are you talking about?
What AID? And why?

Speak up man, this is quality stuff for us in the North of Scandinavia. Yea, us Wikings. What the hell are you talking about..

PEACE.

/LoMax
2006-06-08 14:17:02
xGBlitzkrieg
The Lazy Genius
+14|6777|USA, CA
Close down everthing and forget about a world that hate us. no aid no red cross no help period!! If you have an earthquake and need us tough facking shit!! We should finally let the world go, and worry only about us!! It wouldn't take long to change things here with all that extra money! Then cease all moeny leaving our country for aid. No more hand outs! In Fact we should then be allowed to charge all the countries for the money we have lost helping all these people that hate us!! Remove all bases we still have our carriers!! Then when something bad happens you can deal with on your own, and then when another Hitler comes along we will just make good with him for our benefit, set up trade with them and let the world go!! IF YOU THINK FOR ONE SECOND THAT THE USA AND ITS PEOPLE HAVE NOT GIVEN ALOT OF TIME AND MONEY FOR THE WELL BeING OF THE WORLD THEN PISS OFF. Money shouldn't go to the EU, and the EU is not one Economic power is a fucking group of countries! We have the strongest one country econmy! I wish america would grow some balls and finally tell this world were done, no more free money, from the money tree!! It would then make it clear that you need us to surivie, if not us some other super power!!
2006-06-08 23:46:21
LoMaX
Member
+24|6776|Sweden is banned from hell ;)

xGBlitzkrieg wrote:

Close down everthing and forget about a world that hate us. no aid no red cross no help period!! If you have an earthquake and need us tough facking shit!! We should finally let the world go, and worry only about us!! It wouldn't take long to change things here with all that extra money! Then cease all moeny leaving our country for aid. No more hand outs! In Fact we should then be allowed to charge all the countries for the money we have lost helping all these people that hate us!! Remove all bases we still have our carriers!! Then when something bad happens you can deal with on your own, and then when another Hitler comes along we will just make good with him for our benefit, set up trade with them and let the world go!! IF YOU THINK FOR ONE SECOND THAT THE USA AND ITS PEOPLE HAVE NOT GIVEN ALOT OF TIME AND MONEY FOR THE WELL BeING OF THE WORLD THEN PISS OFF. Money shouldn't go to the EU, and the EU is not one Economic power is a fucking group of countries! We have the strongest one country econmy! I wish america would grow some balls and finally tell this world were done, no more free money, from the money tree!! It would then make it clear that you need us to surivie, if not us some other super power!!
HI.

Well it seems you have woken up on the wrong side of the bed..

I really do not have a problem with the American People, if you do not start a WAR where I live, but interesting though... this thread got me thinking.. do I dare to comment? Hell YES!

Last I looked it was ONE globe with lots of different people and ideas, are you with me here..
Yes, Sweden is a puny little country compared to the US.. even compared to most of the countries in the EU... but is not that little town in somewhere in the wast space of Wyoming that too? My Point is that, we have a common problem, everyone of us have a small influence of what our "STATES" does US or EU.. we are just a friggin peasant on the Chess Board. Who really rulez? As always - Money talkes.

Interesting as it is.. Swedes or Europeans have a problem discussing in these threads, because we adopt everything American that we can get hold of. Hollywood, McDonalds, Burger King, NIKE, Ford, 7 Eleven, Rap Music.. You name it. So what is the deal then? Well - "Houston we have a problem.." (Psst.. but we are 5 years after in this "evolution").

Our mutual rescources are "strangely" enough getting a bit low, and our lifestyle is spread throughout the World.. Yes - Arabs, Chinese, Indians (++++) also want a FAT Car, mobile phone, DVD, BF2..

So final thought - how would it be if we shared Intel, Knowledge, Rescources between all people and countries? GREAT! Freedom to everybody.

Have a wonderful day. Now I will go and eat an American breakfast.

PEACE / Zhaman
2006-06-11 20:12:44
xGBlitzkrieg
The Lazy Genius
+14|6777|USA, CA
No, No, No the good idea is no more countries!!!!!!
One world that is the only country we need.
and i'll say it again my family was from norway!!

LONG LIVE SCANDINAVIA!!! Where else am i going to move when the shit hits the fan, back to my people!!!

 

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