BF2S Forums will this be sucessfull?

Janus67 wrote:

I vote that it will rock as long as they get support for running/processing 4 different threads at once.

Great Point. Software Support will sink or swim this idea.

The two independant memory controllers will be neat, but it's all up to the people who make the games. Forward thinkers like Epic will most definately want to support this idea.

Also, two sockets would result in using even more power comsumption and even cooling issues that render it poor vs. Intel's Core Architecture.

max wrote:

AveryHawk wrote:

Ok and how will this be Different from a Dual Proc Dual core workstation?
You know like the ones you (max) just finished bashing?http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=26439
I am currently building a Dual dual core Xeon (5080 Procs) The tech just launched last week basically these are a pair of "top yeald" Extreme editons on socket 771 based on "Greencreek" and "Bensley" the former being that chipset and latter the overall platform. . Look it up.
AMD is again behind the curve. But until software and OS'es are optimized for Multi core/multi thread this is all a moot point to the "average" gamer  seeing as most do not multitask while gaming. But if you want to rip mp3's, encode video, run a dedicated game server and play on the server (with a 0 ping)all at the same time then multi core multi proc is for you.

I comnpletely agree. Right now dual core/processor systems are a wase for games. The only reason i got the opteron 170 is because it was relatively cheap here in CH and i am a multitasking geek. For gameservers and professional pcs this is a completely different matter.

Also once multithereading of progs. becomes mainstream, everything will change

The only reason i "bashed" (thinking about it i may have been too hash) the dual xenon systenm was because the guy was telling me that his xenons could run everything on full and that i am an ingnorant jerk, and next he says that he needs a new gfx-card because his fps ar too low.

I gotta agree, I was in the same situation as you max.  I didn't really consider the idea of running a multi/quad-threaded application or doing something of that sort.  But in gaming I really do not think that it will give any sort of increase in performance.  Let me see the super-pi, and 3dmark scores with those dual xeon (not xenon lol) dual core processors and see if it can show any performance increase over an FX-60.  I hightly doubt it will.

I'm confused... Isn't there already dual CPU motherboards that support dual core?  They're a 940 chipset though, so you'll be out the EXTRA $$ for ECC ram.  I swear maximum PC built one a few month back and I laughed at it.  For as much $ as it would cost for a normal person it was just not that impressive.

Otherwise I think this will put so much processor power into a system it will be insane  Time to have dual video cards with dual output but NOT IN SLI, so you can have 4 24" monitors...

I think it will be a fad like the dual PII (were they PIII?) systems were.  AMD will once again come out with 1 chip to rule them all and we'll all be back to single CPU (dual core maybe?) systems.

Games programmers in general seem to have been, until recently, pretty lax with appropriate threading for their products. Their excuse? It's hard.

Being a professional programmer (well, a Computing PhD student) myself, I can sympathise with this. Programming in a highly threaded environment can be a nightmare in many languages. Especially some of the more mainstream languages out there today.

Things do seem to be changing though, languages have been around for ages that have BRILLIANT thread support, and take 90% of the hastle of threads away. Unfortunately, none of these languages has been remarkably successful, that I'm aware. However, it seems to me that hardware developers are now forcing major language developers to look more closely at threaded environments, and this is encouraging a shift in their focus, so that they're starting to include some brilliant thread support themselves.

So it seems likely to me that over the next few years, this hardware push towards more and more processors (which encourages a threaded programming style, to maximise your potential) is going to fuel even more development in the form of easy to use threaded programming languages.

The end result of all this? Better threaded software.

It's a weird situation, the hardware developers will be successful if the software is successful. But the hardware developers are FORCING the software developers to head in this direction, thus ENSURING that the hardware developers will be successful.

There is no other choice. The hardware developers have exerted their market authority!

Please feel free to correct me where I'm wrong, and fill in the blanks a little more. I didn't do any extensive research for this post, this is just based on the bits and pieces you pick up when you're in my line of work. I am actually an A.I. researcher, not a hardware/programming environment researcher. So I acknowledge I may have blurred facts.

Cheers, hope this means something to someone.

Off topic:

Lib-Sl@yer's sig wrote:

To me a ribbon means you showed up somewhere and kissed somebody's ass---1stSgt Diaz(my JROTC instructor)

I took four years of AFJROTC, 9th through 12th. Got three ribbons for something I forgot about, and never voluntarily stepped forward for accelerated promotion, choosing instead to accept the automatic progress. Might have been more fun if I participated a bit more in stuff, but I was content to drive away as many bothersome people as possible by looking as grim and sullen as Agent 47 (PC game reference, there).

But JROTC's military history and ground school 'lite' were cool, as well as the psychology. The latter should smooth my way if I ever go to apply for a pilot's license and take a refresher course. I've been happy with mostly that class as part of my curriculum, as simultaneous tech college went for high school credit. The time invested may have been the reason I was so tired all the time, though.

Update: Some ass actually gave me a negative karma point for this post because it was, as advertised, "off topic." Too bad it was anonymous. Probably from a liberal who loathes ROTC with all his heart and soul. All my contributions to the tech topic for naught, thus ends my 28 streak. Maybe my next one will break 40.

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question is, whos got that sort of money to buy 2 cpus? and conroe will just waste them when overclocked

Alright, whoever's spamming negative karma on me anonymously, come out and just say so. I won't be angry, I promise. I'd just appreciate the honesty is all. Insults like "twat" don't send me bouncing off walls, but they do annoy me with their immaturity.

Reminds me of punishes for people running in front of planes.

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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Off topic:

Lib-Sl@yer's sig wrote:

To me a ribbon means you showed up somewhere and kissed somebody's ass---1stSgt Diaz(my JROTC instructor)

Update: Some ass actually gave me a negative karma point for this post because it was, as advertised, "off topic." Too bad it was anonymous. Probably from a liberal who loathes ROTC with all his heart and soul.

Dont worry some retard game me an anonomus -1 karma for my post. Some one needs to fess up to your karma. we would like reasons for being -1 and the persons name. KARMA IS NOT ANANOMUS