Janus67
Tech God
+86|6887|Ohio, USA
he will end up spending a crap load upgrading that RDRAM (it is insanely expensive now because it hasn't been produced for years). - so that you have an idea click here - $100+ for 256 stick and over $200 for a 512mb stick.

@ acdc, yes they will, but from what I have read ATI's current high-end cards will only need a patch to support DX10, while the current high-end nvidia will not directly support it and are not DX10 hardware capable (although obviously can handle DX10 drivers).  You would be wise to do some googling to find the true answer to that though.

Last edited by Janus67 (2006-05-31 21:48:52)

acdc
Member
+37|6868|SEATTLE, WA
I wouldn't upgrade his shitty computer to an ok computer, waste of money.  Wait and upgrade everything. 

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Why use google when I have a janus?
j4g3r
Member
+0|6833
It sounds like ATI is on the ball and thinking smart with their upgrades to DX10 for their high end cards.  It's too bad Nvidia doesnt do that, it would save consumers a lot of money but, that's what Nvidia doesnt want.
T0tal-Annihilation
Member
+6|6977|Marietta, GA (near Atlanta)

acdc wrote:

I wouldn't upgrade his shitty computer to an ok computer, waste of money.  Wait and upgrade everything.
well, it's not a crappy system... especially w/ the RDRAM.
If it was me, I'd just keep the system and wait after Conroe hits the markets for a while and just build a new system.
foxrun612
Member
+27|6835|Atlanta, Georgia
Upgrade to the Evga 7600GT CO.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7008

acdc wrote:

I wouldn't upgrade his shitty computer to an ok computer, waste of money.  Wait and upgrade everything. 

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Why use google when I have a janus?
coz uve been brainwashed

to foxrun: if that guy has rimm ram, then its agp slot and old intel cpu, 1.3-1.4 (my dad used to have one a year ago, until power problem which killed everything,.. not just psu, hdd from 80gb turned into 12...)
https://cache.www.gametracker.com/server_info/203.46.105.23:21300/b_350_20_692108_381007_FFFFFF_000000.png
Snipedya14
Dont tread on me
+77|6987|Mountains of West Virginia

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

acdc wrote:

I wouldn't upgrade his shitty computer to an ok computer, waste of money.  Wait and upgrade everything. 

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Why use google when I have a janus?
coz uve been brainwashed

to foxrun: if that guy has rimm ram, then its agp slot and old intel cpu, 1.3-1.4 (my dad used to have one a year ago, until power problem which killed everything,.. not just psu, hdd from 80gb turned into 12...)
How can you judge CPU speed from RAM....

Dell used RDRAM for awhile, in fact i just got done working on one that was 2.3GHz. (IIRC) Hell he even said his friends PC had a 2.5.

Last edited by Snipedya14 (2006-06-01 09:00:59)

Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7008

Snipedya14 wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

acdc wrote:

I wouldn't upgrade his shitty computer to an ok computer, waste of money.  Wait and upgrade everything. 

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Why use google when I have a janus?
coz uve been brainwashed

to foxrun: if that guy has rimm ram, then its agp slot and old intel cpu, 1.3-1.4 (my dad used to have one a year ago, until power problem which killed everything,.. not just psu, hdd from 80gb turned into 12...)
How can you judge CPU speed from RAM....

Dell used RDRAM for awhile, in fact i just got done working on one that was 2.3GHz. (IIRC) Hell he even said his friends PC had a 2.5.
because of the ram slots used in that generation of cpus, and there was no PCI-E when rambus was out that time. but RDRAM is the most expensive ram ever manufactured... thats why were all on ddr and ddr2
https://cache.www.gametracker.com/server_info/203.46.105.23:21300/b_350_20_692108_381007_FFFFFF_000000.png
Snipedya14
Dont tread on me
+77|6987|Mountains of West Virginia

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Snipedya14 wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:


coz uve been brainwashed

to foxrun: if that guy has rimm ram, then its agp slot and old intel cpu, 1.3-1.4 (my dad used to have one a year ago, until power problem which killed everything,.. not just psu, hdd from 80gb turned into 12...)
How can you judge CPU speed from RAM....

Dell used RDRAM for awhile, in fact i just got done working on one that was 2.3GHz. (IIRC) Hell he even said his friends PC had a 2.5.
because of the ram slots used in that generation of cpus, and there was no PCI-E when rambus was out that time. but RDRAM is the most expensive ram ever manufactured... thats why were all on ddr and ddr2
Oh im not arguing with you. Just pointing out it was a bit neieve to say that he had an "old intel CPU 1.3-1.4" when in fact he had nearly double that clockspeed you were sure he had.
slo5oh
Member
+28|6953

MURcarnage wrote:

Ok, my buddy read all the replies and came to the conclusion that it wouldn't be worth it to purchase a whole new system with all the new technology coming out the following year.
He basically wants something to tide him over until DX10 is out, so he can just build his system then.
His current computer was a gift, so it's...ok. It's a Dell Dimension 8200 (4+ years old?). System Specs:
P4 2.53GHz w/ 533MHz FSB
512MB RDRAM 184-Pin (16bit PC800)
Nvidia GeForce 4600ti 128MB DDR2

It's old, but it's still somewhat decent. He says the main bottlenecks are the RAM and the Video Card, so he wants to upgrade those. He's thinking about the 6800xt since it includes Shader Model 3.0, while the ATIs x800 series cards do not. Also, doubleing his RAM would be a good step forward. He's unsure what his current PSU is capable of, so he's considering upgrading that aswell.
It's my belief that waiting is NEVER worth it.  I build systems for everyone I know... my parents, some friends, and clients.  Back when the a64 chips first came out I could have built a VERY low end a64 system for 30% to 40% more than the XP 3200 system.  Looking back on it I'm still sure I made the correct decision.  It's cheaper to build a NEW system every few years that's 1 or 2 steps down from the "bleeding edge". 
In your friends current situation I would recommend 1 of 2 things.  Either keep the existing system exactly how it is (unless you come across the necessary upgrades VERY VERY cheap) or tell him to decide how much he wants to spend and start building a new system.  You have to have the debate... what's the cut off amount for how much money should he sink into a POS computer to "band-aid" it?  $200, $300?
In the $500 neighborhood he can build a COMPLETE new semperon system that will play BF2 good (not GREAT mind you!), for $800 to $900 he should be able to build a system that can laugh at anything for the next 2 years DX10 or not.
Here's the parts list of what I recommend.  The price is inflated since newegg does not have the best prices anymore.  If you watch a good deal site like fatwallet and buy these parts when they go on sale you should be able to do it for under $1000.
http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/wis … er=3443584
Janus67
Tech God
+86|6887|Ohio, USA

slo5oh wrote:

MURcarnage wrote:

Ok, my buddy read all the replies and came to the conclusion that it wouldn't be worth it to purchase a whole new system with all the new technology coming out the following year.
He basically wants something to tide him over until DX10 is out, so he can just build his system then.
His current computer was a gift, so it's...ok. It's a Dell Dimension 8200 (4+ years old?). System Specs:
P4 2.53GHz w/ 533MHz FSB
512MB RDRAM 184-Pin (16bit PC800)
Nvidia GeForce 4600ti 128MB DDR2

It's old, but it's still somewhat decent. He says the main bottlenecks are the RAM and the Video Card, so he wants to upgrade those. He's thinking about the 6800xt since it includes Shader Model 3.0, while the ATIs x800 series cards do not. Also, doubleing his RAM would be a good step forward. He's unsure what his current PSU is capable of, so he's considering upgrading that aswell.
It's my belief that waiting is NEVER worth it.  I build systems for everyone I know... my parents, some friends, and clients.  Back when the a64 chips first came out I could have built a VERY low end a64 system for 30% to 40% more than the XP 3200 system.  Looking back on it I'm still sure I made the correct decision.  It's cheaper to build a NEW system every few years that's 1 or 2 steps down from the "bleeding edge". 
In your friends current situation I would recommend 1 of 2 things.  Either keep the existing system exactly how it is (unless you come across the necessary upgrades VERY VERY cheap) or tell him to decide how much he wants to spend and start building a new system.  You have to have the debate... what's the cut off amount for how much money should he sink into a POS computer to "band-aid" it?  $200, $300?
In the $500 neighborhood he can build a COMPLETE new semperon system that will play BF2 good (not GREAT mind you!), for $800 to $900 he should be able to build a system that can laugh at anything for the next 2 years DX10 or not.
Here's the parts list of what I recommend.  The price is inflated since newegg does not have the best prices anymore.  If you watch a good deal site like fatwallet and buy these parts when they go on sale you should be able to do it for under $1000.
http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/wis … er=3443584
nice system there slo5oh, although I would get the Arctic 64 over the Zalman as they have similar performance it costs about $30 less.  Only difference is the lack of LED fans really. 

other than that, and my still uneasiness to accept ECS boards (I know how much you praise them, but I am still weary) it looks good.
slo5oh
Member
+28|6953

Janus67 wrote:

nice system there slo5oh, although I would get the Arctic 64 over the Zalman as they have similar performance it costs about $30 less.  Only difference is the lack of LED fans really. 

other than that, and my still uneasiness to accept ECS boards (I know how much you praise them, but I am still weary) it looks good.
wow.  that arctic 64 really does look impressive and it's dirt cheap.  One of the guys in the reviews said it lowered the temp of his FX60.  I'm currently running an XP-90, supposed to be about dead even with a stock AMD heat pipe HSF.  I know it's holding me back now. Since the weather has dried up and warmed up I've had to dial back from 2.9 to 2.85.  I want to get myself up to 3.0.
damn... just placed an order for other stuff with newegg yesterday.  I would have added one of these to try out myself.
As for the ECS board, the whole system is simply a recommendation.  Best bang for the buck IMO.  ECS has joined the ranks of the tier 1 mobo makers in the last year (maybe 2?).  For anyone that's worried about ECS I'd tell them to get a DFI nf4 board and be done. 
acdc
Member
+37|6868|SEATTLE, WA

acdc wrote:

I wouldn't upgrade his shitty computer to an ok computer, waste of money.  Wait and upgrade everything.
I wasn't hating on his system, that's what he called it

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