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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

xaven wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Prove to me God doesn't exist, and then we will talk.

Hmm... just my 2 cents: You cannot prove that God or Allah or whatever exists, like you cant prove that Santa Clause exists or easter-bunny I mean, accept that this is a religion based on beliefs. You say you are atheist, so do not try to argue scientific in this case. This is the 21st century, isn't it? Fortunately I live in an enlightened society, no middle-eastern or American conditions here.

I tolerate those servers, but its a bit funny to see a religious community server dealing with a war game trying to enforce a Christian behavior.

The belief in God is markedly different from the belief in Santa Claus - we can trace back the evolution of the belief in Santa Claus, whereas we cannot do the same for belief in a higher power.

What would I argue scientific about?  Being atheist is a belief system.  I choose to believe there is no higher power, except for the life force that runs through every living thing.  Since you seem to know so much about America (USA, or all the Americas oh enlightened one) and the Mid-East, tell me why Germany is more enlightened then either of these places, and what "conditions" are you talking of. 

As far as people who argue that these are Christians playing a war game, thats all it is - A game.  This is fantasy.  Are Christians only supposed to read good-time feel good stories?  Can they only surround themselves with uplifting events?  Just because they believe in God, Jesus Christ as the Son of God, doesn't mean they can't play a video game.  I would hope not.  If you are going to chastise Christians for being hypocrites, I think you would have a better argument if you brought up Christians engaging in real life warfare and killing, not through a video game.

Not really true.  You can trace this back to early days of shamans and other religious beginnings quite easily.  Those with the "spiritual" knowledge usually held power (ranking either highest or 2nd highest to the rulers).  That's one of the reasons the Egyptian Pharoahs were considered (minor) gods.  After all, with religion = power, you can't be the leader of your world when someone else has a higher knowledge of religion than you.

Hell, the Pharoah's were pretty good at tricking the people, too.  One of their big ones was the Pharoah predicting the rise/fall of the Nile.  Egyptian scientists figured out the patterns of the Nile so it was relatively easy to calculate things and have the Pharoah give predictions.  Not surprisingly, he tended to be right.  The mistakes likely written off as the gods being upset at something rather than a surprise change in the weather pattern (freak storm, etc) that caused the prediction to be off.

From history, we mostly see that religion was used for a couple things:

1) Answer questions they didn't have the answers to.  What causes day and night?  Why, Apollo rides across with his chariot to create the change (or something like that)

2) Power.  Religion meant knowledge and many used it to their political advantage.

niomosy wrote:

Not really true.  You can trace this back to early days of shamans and other religious beginnings quite easily.  Those with the "spiritual" knowledge usually held power (ranking either highest or 2nd highest to the rulers).  That's one of the reasons the Egyptian Pharoahs were considered (minor) gods.  After all, with religion = power, you can't be the leader of your world when someone else has a higher knowledge of religion than you.

That is the evolution of religion, not the evolution of belief in God/s.  Definitely related, but not the same.

Yes but people get all this confused with the basic fundamentals of the religion it self. I mean look at ignorant America thinking that all Islam is about is blowing things up, when in fact they believe in the same God as Christan's.

How many total religions are there?? what makes christianiy the right one or anyone of them no proof that god is real they found the broken link in evolution too no proof of a god either i want physical evidence im atheists i think any religion is like believeing in santa cluase or easter bunny ppl are soo naive

Last edited by ?? (2006-05-31 14:30:57)

Bloody hell this thread still going?

i wonder if a mod wants to move and possibly re-title this as there is a forum for debate (probably with many threads just like this one).

anyway,  the two sides are just going back and forth, basically saying the same thing over and over again and you just going around in circles.  when this thread ends no one is going to be right and no one is going to be wrong and no one is going change their beliefs.

Last edited by BolvisOculus (2006-05-31 16:21:38)

chuyskywalker wrote:

{A.I}TheBusDriver wrote:

wow..the n00b who wrote the first post should like realize that this is a fricken game and the killing isnt real.....no one is rewardin you for like killing your neighbor or a kid at school or somthin

try like not being a retard.

Mr. Bible wrote:

Commandment #6: Thou Shalt Not Kill

Mr. BF2 wrote:

Commandment #1: Thou Shalt Kill ... Alot

I mean, really, there are only 10 "set in stone" rules for that religion, and BF2 emulates the breaking of one as it's primary motive. JimKong said it really well:

JimKong wrote:

It's a contrast between ethics and practices. Surely a pornographic game wouldn't be seen as just a game. You're just trying to pass off any trace element of hypocrisy in this game because you find it enjoyable. Something common with the majority of the "christ"ians I have dealt with.

Thank you. You win.

You're wrong, though.

That law is actually referring to murdering.

This is a war game. Not a murdering game.

War is needed in this world to bring peace. Without war there won't be peace.
There were many wars in The Bible. Those who think that Christians are against war are not very educated in this, and should not be entering in a discussion about it.

Pornography is in the form of pictures or movies... or it could be in the form of a game. So How could a "pornographic game" be any different from a pornographic movie?

But murdering is NOT just like playing a war game.
So, you can't really be comparing war and porno.


IF killing (in the name of self defence, defence for your country, or defence of your home[police officers etc.]) were against the beliefs of Christians, then you would not see, Christian Police officers(I know plenty of them) and Christian Soldiers in the military(Again, I know plenty). They go into those jobs knowing that they may have to kill somebody.

Believe it or not, KILLING is different than MURDERING. I'm sure you know the difference, Chuy. I know you aren't stupid.

mur·dered, mur·der·ing, mur·ders


   1. To kill (another human) unlawfully.
   2. To kill brutally or inhumanly.

killed, kill·ing, kills


         1. To put to death.
         2. To deprive of life

So, this game is not going against the 10 Commandments, and therefore Christians are not hypocrites for playing this game.

CMDR_Dave wrote:

Nicely put Slay... 

QFT.

Hyper wrote:

=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:

chuyskywalker wrote:

{A.I}TheBusDriver wrote:

wow..the n00b who wrote the first post should like realize that this is a fricken game and the killing isnt real.....no one is rewardin you for like killing your neighbor or a kid at school or somthin

try like not being a retard.

Mr. Bible wrote:

Commandment #6: Thou Shalt Not Kill

I mean, really, there are only 10 "set in stone" rules for that religion, and BF2 emulates the breaking of one as it's primary motive. JimKong said it really well:


Thank you. You win.

You're wrong, though.

That law is actually referring to murdering.

This is a war game. Not a murdering game.

War is needed in this world to bring peace. Without war there won't be peace.
There were many wars in The Bible. Those who think that Christians are against war are not very educated in this, and should not be entering in a discussion about it.

Pornography is in the form of pictures or movies... or it could be in the form of a game. So How could a "pornographic game" be any different from a pornographic movie?

But murdering is NOT just like playing a war game.
So, you can't really be comparing war and porno.


IF killing (in the name of self defence, defence for your country, or defence of your home[police officers etc.]) were against the beliefs of Christians, then you would not see, Christian Police officers(I know plenty of them) and Christian Soldiers in the military(Again, I know plenty). They go into those jobs knowing that they may have to kill somebody.

Believe it or not, KILLING is different than MURDERING. I'm sure you know the difference, Chuy. I know you aren't stupid.

mur·dered, mur·der·ing, mur·ders


   1. To kill (another human) unlawfully.
   2. To kill brutally or inhumanly.

killed, kill·ing, kills


         1. To put to death.
         2. To deprive of life

So, this game is not going against the 10 Commandments, and therefore Christians are not hypocrites for playing this game.

you are totally right
christians are hippocrites for so many other reasons

I won't argue that statement. It's true, there is a lot of hypocricy. But just because you've seen some hypocrites in your life, does not mean every Christian is a hypocrite.
I don't really understand why everyone hates Christianity. I personally think they're afraid of it. But that's not for me to judge.

Last edited by =[4th]=SlayThem (2006-05-31 20:52:25)

=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:

Hyper wrote:

=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:

You're wrong, though.

That law is actually referring to murdering.

This is a war game. Not a murdering game.

War is needed in this world to bring peace. Without war there won't be peace.
There were many wars in The Bible. Those who think that Christians are against war are not very educated in this, and should not be entering in a discussion about it.

Pornography is in the form of pictures or movies... or it could be in the form of a game. So How could a "pornographic game" be any different from a pornographic movie?

But murdering is NOT just like playing a war game.
So, you can't really be comparing war and porno.


IF killing (in the name of self defence, defence for your country, or defence of your home[police officers etc.]) were against the beliefs of Christians, then you would not see, Christian Police officers(I know plenty of them) and Christian Soldiers in the military(Again, I know plenty). They go into those jobs knowing that they may have to kill somebody.

Believe it or not, KILLING is different than MURDERING. I'm sure you know the difference, Chuy. I know you aren't stupid.

mur·dered, mur·der·ing, mur·ders


   1. To kill (another human) unlawfully.
   2. To kill brutally or inhumanly.

killed, kill·ing, kills


         1. To put to death.
         2. To deprive of life

So, this game is not going against the 10 Commandments, and therefore Christians are not hypocrites for playing this game.

you are totally right
christians are hippocrites for so many other reasons

I won't argue that statement. It's true, there is a lot of hypocricy. But just because you've seen some hypocrites in your life, does not mean every Christian is a hypocrite.
I don't really understand why everyone hates Christianity. I personally think they're afraid of it. But that's not for me to judge.

tbh i am only speaking abuut what i have come in contact with.
the generalization was a mistake on my part and not directed at you in particular.
i just find it wacko that somone can lie to my face then tell me that god will forgive them for it so that makes it ok
its a whole big pile of poop IMO

=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:

Defiance wrote:

Hyper wrote:

you are totally right
christians are hippocrites for so many other reasons

Hahaha. +1 for the awesome.

=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:

I won't argue that statement. It's true, there is a lot of hypocricy. But just because you've seen some hypocrites in your life, does not mean every Christian is a hypocrite.
I don't really understand why everyone hates Christianity. I personally think they're afraid of it. But that's not for me to judge.

It seems that atheists are more devout then the average christian.

Earlier at school, I saw a guy flipping out at another kid (christian, i presume) literally screaming, "prove god exists! where is heaven?! where is hell?!"

And the other guy calmly answered the second two (it's hard to give an answer to the first) "in the heavens, and in the pits of the earth"

You know how easy it is to be atheist?
It's easier doubt than it is to believe and have faith in something.
But, I have seen God's works, and I don't have a doubt in my mind that He is real.

do you know how easy it is for somone to pass off something that which they can not explain as GOD?
again, nothing personal, you just happen to be the messenger so im shooting at ya

=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:

I won't argue that statement. It's true, there is a lot of hypocricy. But just because you've seen some hypocrites in your life, does not mean every Christian is a hypocrite.
I don't really understand why everyone hates Christianity. I personally think they're afraid of it. But that's not for me to judge.

You're right, I am afraid of Christianity, and religion in general. Heres why:

Steven Weinberg wrote:

I think that on the balance the moral influence of religion has been awful. With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil. But for good people to do evil -- that takes religion.

You can see it every day in the people who celebrate the deaths of homosexuals or soldiers, or go on TV and espouse the absolute superiority of their spiritual beliefs, or stand at abortion clinics and harass women. The evil of a few followers far outweighs the neutrality of the masses, in my mind.

=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:

You know how easy it is to be atheist?
It's easier doubt than it is to believe and have faith in something.
But, I have seen God's works, and I don't have a doubt in my mind that He is real.

I posted this in the religion thread in the debate section, but it seems rather appropriate here as well:

Stephen F Roberts wrote:

I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will
understand why I dismiss yours.

I see the true evil in followers in beliefs other then "religion" because what was one of the biggest belief based murdererings (for the nit picky) in our history?

The Holocaust.

Thousands of people died, and not because of the acts of god, but because they thought jews were bad plain and simple.

=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:

I'll make a long story short.
I've been a Christian all my life, and when I was 4 years old I was diagnosed with epilepsy. I was put on medication, and told that I would suffer with it the rest of my life. Shortly after that (my parents praying all through it) I became allergic to the medication, the doctor took me off the medication, and  I continued to have seizures. a few days later, I was laying down in church, and I began to have another seizure. I rebuked it in the name of God and I have not had a seizure since. During all that, I also had low blood platelettes, and if I had taken any type of head trauma, I could have bled to death. We went to the doctor shortly after I had my last seizure, and told him what had happened, he did some tests, and my blood platelettes had gone back to normal level, and I had been completely healed.
That is how I know that God is real. You can't tell me that it was some work of science when science had nothing to do with it.
That is the VERY short version. I'm not trying to force my beliefs on anyone here, but you started it

Curious, grand mal seizures? And they just took you off the medications after you developed an allergy?

I'm sorry but I'm calling bullshit, somethings missing. Doctors would try a different medication if you developed an allergy.

Not to mention if you're laying down and have a seizure, you're head is going to bounce like a superball against the ground and tell me a blood vessel didn't rupture during all these seizures.

And how can you be so sure science had nothing to do with it? The medication could've remained in your system in a different form. For what reason did you have low blood pallettes?

If it's a sporadic occurence, a sporadic cure could be initiated.

Last edited by Defiance (2006-05-31 21:18:49)