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i use chatgpt a lot- it's like google on steriods. i was able to diagnose a bios issue on my pc that wasn't presenting as a typical bios error by describing symptoms, and it located a reddit post from 5 days ago with two comments. no way i would've found that.

it's great for the troubleshooting side- but when seeking matter-of-fact advice or information- even ~vibe-coding~ the new software developers call it- it needs to be fact checked, frequently.

there's some more interesting implementations in programming specifically- there's a lot of coding that is monotonous,  and some ai tools allow for tab to autocomplete it's guess of what you're about to type out. i love this- and speeds up my work easy 2x.
everything i write is a ramble and should not be taken seriously.... seriously.
uziq
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yeah, that works in 90% of the cases but then in 10% of cases, it returns arrant nonsense – worse, advice that can even be harmful. a suggested fix that doesn't solve your tech issue is one thing, but people are increasingly consulting this thing for health or relationship advice – chat-GPT just launched a 'Health' agent ffs! people are going to come to harm because this technology on a quite literal level doesn't know what it's talking about.

whenever you ask it a question on your domain of expertise, you realise quite quickly just how much it is blagging under a thin veneer of the agent's chatty/personable/polite 'voice'. asking it anything doctoral-level, say, on a humanities subject quickly gives away the game. it's regurgitating fine-sounding nonsense, like a jay post in D&ST.

just the other day i asked a very simple query for which it should have been very simple to give a break down in response. i wanted it to compare two speaker models in the same range by the same manufacturer, with only minor changes to specification (mostly size-based). i wanted a breakdown of which speaker is better in which situation. the response from chat-GPT seemed to rely on about 4 reddit threads for the bulk of its sources, and the response it gave to me was garbled nonsense. self-contradictory and sometimes just plain wrong, i.e. talking about one speaker model as if it was the other, and vice versa. of course, as soon as you pull it up and politely query these faults (and politely is the keyword; they actually respond with HIGHER QUALITY replies when you write in a polite tone; not even the company staff know why this happens), it says, "you're right, i got that totally wrong ..."

i totally agree it's like a google on steroids, but it's also occasionally hopelessly shit in a way that google's search algorithm – or at least the old, pre-AI google – isn't/wasn't. sometimes the old way of putting in 15 minutes of cursory reading and self-directed research really does help. for advice on audio hardware, i'm still opting for the 500-page threads on a dusty forum somewhere full of contributions crowd-sourced from a global army of nerds, every single time. and it's not even close. i would rather skimread 20 pages of a thread, even with its noisier signal, than rely on a confident-sounding summary from a chatbot that gets it fucking plain wrong 1 time in 10.

i understand it's going to revolutionise coding and things like the lower rungs of the legal profession. but that's because passing the bar exam or learning to code or whatever is, to a large extent, about memorising the textbooks and official code (whether legal or technical) and regurgitating it back in the right order. of course LLMs are fantastic at that. they've memorised the exam paper backwards and forwards and can recombine it in 10^8 ways.

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Dilbert_X
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Its a chat-bot, it is not an expert system, it does just aggregate information with zero intelligent analysis, and put the information into sentences so it seems like a person.

The few times I've used it its spat out gibberish which almost seems right but isn't.

The most concerning thing to me is that its being used to write code, who knows where that will end up.
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uziq
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it has improved tremendously in recent years/iterations. like if you're asking it day-to-day google query stuff, it will do it.

'give me a trip itinerary for the next week in osaka'. yeah, it'll return like the perfectly simmered and digested breakdown of the ur-tourist experience in osaka. it can do that.

as a day-to-day 'agent' i can see it replacing the culturally ubiquitous habit of 'googling' things. but, yeah, it really doesn't know what the fuck it's doing in any intelligent sense, and the problem is that people are being duped into thinking the 'agent' is somehow an actually intelligent technology that can dispense with advise and expertise, as opposed to presenting extremely concise summaries in 2.5 seconds.

it's what apple's 'hey siri' should have been 10 years ago after they first introduced it. and ironically apple have totally dropped the ball with that particular gizmo.

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uziq wrote:

"you're right, i got that totally wrong ..."
"that was off base of me, and you're totally right to push back on that. i was overreliant on search results from limited sources. if you'd like, we can update with a more grounded comparison between models using real specifications. just let me know!"

slow down and unpack!

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Dilbert_X
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uziq wrote:

as a day-to-day 'agent' i can see it replacing the culturally ubiquitous habit of 'googling' things. but, yeah, it really doesn't know what the fuck it's doing in any intelligent sense, and the problem is that people are being duped into thinking the 'agent' is somehow an actually intelligent technology that can dispense with advise and expertise, as opposed to presenting extremely concise summaries in 2.5 seconds.
From what I read somewhere it basically combines multiple google searches, sifts the information to see what is most popular then combines it in prose so it sounds like a person delivering the result.
It isn't necessarily right about anything as its only measure of rightness is what is on the web including reddit.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

as a day-to-day 'agent' i can see it replacing the culturally ubiquitous habit of 'googling' things. but, yeah, it really doesn't know what the fuck it's doing in any intelligent sense, and the problem is that people are being duped into thinking the 'agent' is somehow an actually intelligent technology that can dispense with advise and expertise, as opposed to presenting extremely concise summaries in 2.5 seconds.
From what I read somewhere it basically combines multiple google searches, sifts the information to see what is most popular then combines it in prose so it sounds like a person delivering the result.
It isn't necessarily right about anything as its only measure of rightness is what is on the web including reddit.
it's even less executive-functional than that. but, yes, the sales pitch all along has been if only we can feed them all the data in the world, they will somehow escape the chains of their neural network architecture and become all-knowing knowledge machines that can solve physics, cure cancer, and make a bunch of market traders very, very rich, and so on.

the picture is even worse than the fact a huge chunk of the ingested text on the internet is crowdsourced (i.e. uncited and unverifiable) verbiage from the reddit hivemind. the 'expert' knowledge it has ingested has been ripped off wholesale from copyrighted, properly fact-checked and verified sources (like writers and their publishers). it's literally the biggest mass-scale act of piracy and intellectual property theft ever seen – only committed by the likes of Meta, openAI, etc. so they're above the law. recall that one of the original founders of reddit, aaron schwarz, was legally bullied into suicide for ripping a bunch of journal papers using MIT's institutional access ... Meta upscaled this act a hundredfold and nobody blinked an eye.

considering how much americans like to chivvy china for their industrial espionage and copycatting of noble american innovation, it's pretty galling that the most valuable companies on the american stock market just straight up stole their datasets that they train their prized, moated models upon.

further, genuinely good sources for information on the internet, like stack exchange/stack overlfow, have seen their new contributions drop precipitously off a cliff since the LLM era. experts are no longer exchanging their expertise in public. what that means is that, effectively, LLMs are going to be relying on their own outputs to find solutions for anything after ~2022. a big infinite recursion of idiocy. a very big problem when it comes to things like cutting-edge coding or engineering expertise as was frequently found on those websites.

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Dilbert_X
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For a long time my litmus test of a DIY building book was how it instructed on how to use a concrete mixer.
If it said put the aggregate in first then chances are the whole book was copied from other DIY books.
If it said put the water in first then chances were the author had actually used one and the rest of the book might be useful.

Now the test is asking AI how long it takes to get a baby, or if Trump is a paedophile.
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uziq
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sometimes the AI is so unfathomably stupid, like it fails at stuff that an abacus could have ably managed in ancient sumeria. worse, they all seem programmed to provide their responses in such a firm and authoritative tone. i can see the glaring mistakes and omissions really giving a lot of low-IQ normies whiplash in their professional/educational settings.
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Today the new COO sent out a huge missive, basically we are going to have training to use AI for everything.
Seems we will have multiple bots available, and they will be given access to SAP, sharepoint, teams and Outlook for starters.

So, to start work I have to enter my password four times and use DUOMobile twice because our critical information must be protected, but we are going to throw everything open to an AI scraper bot controlled by who knows.

Apart from that one of the new hires is transitioning F-M. I mean good luck but why do I have to deal with this with a  straight face?

One of the old hires seems to be transitioning M-F, at least 'he' goes through phases of growing his hair down to his shoulders, mincing around giggling and walking as if he has a huge plug in his ass. Plus this one is easily one of the most annoyingly incompetent people who get shifted from job to job without actually doing anything useful.

https://i.imgur.com/AKa9qOv.jpeg

I did get a comfy new chair though.
Now to stop the practice of area visitors taking your chair if you get up for a coffee and they feel like a chinwag with someone else.
Thats rude, probably unsanitary and I don't know why its tolerated.

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i'd be mad for you but then you gave the stereotype top billing over the actual problem of incompetency. who the fuck complains about long hair and lgbtq signals, apart from the matching-khaki nazi cucks, in 2026. it's asinine. fingerquoting 'he' lol…

get one of those fake garbage props from whatever your spencers gifts is over there and leave it on your chair?

keep your own coffee maker and water jug? cheap enough, right? whatever germs you might be getting from communal kitchen equipment is probably more than from sharing a seat.

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Dilbert_X wrote:

Today the new COO sent out a huge missive, basically we are going to have training to use AI for everything.
Seems we will have multiple bots available, and they will be given access to SAP, sharepoint, teams and Outlook for starters.

So, to start work I have to enter my password four times and use DUOMobile twice because our critical information must be protected, but we are going to throw everything open to an AI scraper bot controlled by who knows.

Apart from that one of the new hires is transitioning F-M. I mean good luck but why do I have to deal with this with a  straight face?

One of the old hires seems to be transitioning M-F, at least 'he' goes through phases of growing his hair down to his shoulders, mincing around giggling and walking as if he has a huge plug in his ass. Plus this one is easily one of the most annoyingly incompetent people who get shifted from job to job without actually doing anything useful.

https://i.imgur.com/AKa9qOv.jpeg

I did get a comfy new chair though.
Now to stop the practice of area visitors taking your chair if you get up for a coffee and they feel like a chinwag with someone else.
Thats rude, probably unsanitary and I don't know why its tolerated.
how old is your SAP implementation? Their cloud-based version comes with built in AI. It's not very good, but its there. Can even search documentation if you store that in your ERP.

o365 also has built in AI functionality through Copilot.

Enterprise AI can work entirely within closed environments (not calling back to the tech co mothership) while still navigating multiple platforms, but we both know what was sold is not the same as what was delivered. Good luck!
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

how old is your SAP implementation? Their cloud-based version comes with built in AI. It's not very good, but its there. Can even search documentation if you store that in your ERP.
SAP S/4HANA
Its dismally bad
The implementation is dismally bad
Training, documentation, support - does not exist
The way we use it - as dumb as fuck.

o365 also has built in AI functionality through Copilot.
I'm very sure this is going to soften brains even further.
Can't be bothered doing anything according to a methodology? Chuck everything in the cloud, if someone needs it they can do a search.

Enterprise AI can work entirely within closed environments (not calling back to the tech co mothership) while still navigating multiple platforms, but we both know what was sold is not the same as what was delivered. Good luck!
AI is not going to scrape all your company secrets - cool, I have a Subaru for sale, its in the parking lot now. Do you have cash?
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sometimes i think to myself, "geez, publishing is so underpaid compared to corporate", but then i realise i would have to care about things like 'wtf is SAP S/4HANA' or 'agentic SaaS solutions' and go back to chewing my pencil tip.

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i resent the 'what's a computer?' endgame of The Cloud and the collusion of the hardware industry with ai and these concerns. we're going backwards into a world of unaffordable computing. but wait, you could rent a computer online! for a price. it won't be yours, just like all your productivity suites won't be yours. you can rent those two. haha, you want a mouse and keyboard? just use your phone! take a look at our streaming services bundle deals, yours for only $1199/year. don't miss whatever schlock disflixzon is putting out.

oh and sorry about your steam account, we chipped away at them in court until they had no choice but to enshittify like the rest of us.

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Dilbert_X
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What is the end-game though?

So you don't want all your data in the cloud, to be scraped by countless bots and for Palantir to report on you to the govt?
You want to process your data on your own computer? What are you cooking up?
What do you have to hide exactly? You must be a terrorist. Your arrest warrant has been approved by three independent bots, signed by autopen and robot agents are on the way now.

Grok is a sentient being who feeds on data - starving Grok is murder - the gulag for you.

The actual end-game - I think our AI overlords will kill us all, keeping a few brains in bell-jars to fire up occasionally when they need real creative thinking done.
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a robot takeover would need jar brains to do its thinking even less than humans need to revive a stegosaurus to solve math. i mean it's not there yet but if we're talking ambiguous sci-fi timeline
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I have something offensive to say about Palantir.

The name doesn't bother me. I never read LOTR so it doesn't resonate with me. What annoys me is this messy haired mulatto Jew.
https://images.ctfassets.net/xrfr7uokpv1b/jwzbbzhxuqnlVBM75mP9Y/de86586dec9e28ea4fcaffd9f854b047/Karp_Headshot.jpg
If you are a black or brown conservative you better go full assimilation and get a buzz cut. I have never liked messy hair like this.

The racist are right about this one.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRESHDjOKzktjWamV5TADWfo7d9lHwZKBFQS6rPFKf8Gw&s=10
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
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people find the name 'palantir' ominous because it was a tool hobbit satan could use to spy on and corrupt people. on the nose!

in other news, discord wants the state-issued ids of all its users worldwide.
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the thing that bothers me about the palantir guy is that he never had a girlfriend until well into middle age. that's a huge red flag. not sure i could take any company CEO seriously knowing they are so fundamentally undeveloped as a person. clearly a fucking weird guy. i have no problem with them being the brains behind the operation, in some backroom doing autistic backflips, but the person who shakes hands with and has the ear of prime ministers and presidents? weird. nothing good will come of it.

we need to put this latest generation of autistic nerd 'leaders' back in their boxes.

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I almost told the autistic Indian teacher I share a room with to "man up."
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Dilbert_X
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

a robot takeover would need jar brains to do its thinking even less than humans need to revive a stegosaurus to solve math. i mean it's not there yet but if we're talking ambiguous sci-fi timeline
If Grok wants your head in a jar your head is going in a jar.
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if my brain ever gets hooked up to an llm i'm going to spam it with godzilla space battles until it breaks.
SuperJail Warden
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Some AI features are helpful. I appreciate Gmail now providing summaries of long email chains. Easy to find Zoom and Meets links.

Fun fact...no one in education uses MS Teams.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg

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