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If you pay for my girlfriend's and mine plane ticket we are okay with flying to Japan to abduct your girlfriend's cat. What's the worst that can happen?

見出し:日本在住のイギリス人男性、アメリカ人と台湾人の仲間と共に、日本人女性の飼い猫を誘拐する陰謀で逮捕

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Dilbert_X
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I'm sure this 4am thing will be over in a week or two if uzique can stick to the plan.

The point of having a cat is always having to out-think them. It keeps you on your toes.
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uziq
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you're all welcome to come and stay at my place. it's technically a 'large' apartment.

i have 3 friends from the UK coming to stay with me.

but i feeel really shit about the idea that this cat will wake them up. very shitty.

but all bf2s are welcome. i'll give you my postcode. come stay. bring your nutty chink wife, macb.
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uziq wrote:

but i feeel really shit about the idea that this cat will wake them up. very shitty.

Dilbert_X wrote:

I'm sure this 4am thing will be over in a week or two if uzique can stick to the plan.
Literally give it a couple of weeks of ignoring until 7am - no exceptions.
If that fails, get up at 4am, clap your hands and chase it around, then shut it away and go back to bed until 7am.

Otherwise
Are the blinds/curtains good enough to block out the dawn?
If so then a nightlight might be a good thing - cats can't in fact see in the dark, they're adapted to moonlight - pitch dark is unsettling for them.
Dim light through the night might be a stabiliser.

I think your partner needs to give the cat a bit less attention first thing, or at least a delay, eg have a shower, sit on the balcony.

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uziq
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yeah, part of the battle is definitely that she has to adjust her relationship with, and spoiling of, the cat. there's a reluctance to do anything that may discipline or say 'no' to the cat, even if it's literally ruining my sleep pattern.
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I'm going to update the suggestion.
Ignore the cat at 4am
Ignore the cat at 7am, or whenever they start again. Make sure to go in about 10 mins after they've stopped, break the linkage.

Also, did you consider that maybe the cat exists to test both of you?
Your partner to see if she has the discipline to not to spoil the cat, and how you react to that.
You to see how you tolerate dealing with a needy and disruptive entity in your life, and how your partner reacts to that?

Being woken up at 4am is still unacceptable.
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uziq
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the cat is a 'test' of sorts, yes – whether a lonely cat-mom who has lived alone for years can transition to sharing a living space again with a third person. i've made quite a lot of efforts and accepted a fair amount of sacrifices to achieve that aim; i'm 'all in' on the living arrangement. i can't train or discipline her pet, though. and it doesn't take a great deal of foresight to know that this 4am, 24/7/365 miaowing, the jumping on dinner tables and the showing off, etc., would be a deal breaker for any third person in any capacity.
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imo, i think sometimes cat people can underestimate how debilitating and miserable severe allergies are. it's tough when it's an existing cat that could be unfairly displaced, but there are sometimes simple rehoming options if you have a network of friends and acquaintances.

and as much as i'm fond of the animals, i don't think i'd pick one up just expecting the person i'm living with to simply live off of meds and deal.
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Train it to be an outside cat and hope nature makes a move. Pitch it to your girlfriend as liberation unlike the tying down of her you pulled off like a Greek monster fable.
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outside cats in a city of 20 million are very much not a thing. big culture shock to me, too, where i think the UK (even in leafy london) is still majority outside cats.

there are 'neighbourhood cats' in japan but they're almost like a shinto tradition. kind of strays that everyone treats well and as some sort of good luck charm. falls firmly into a different culture category as 'my pet'. it's considered extremely bad manners to even let your dog off the leash in japan. the few cats i have seen outside, in city parks mostly, have been in a harness or pram or something, too.

imo, i think sometimes cat people can underestimate how debilitating and miserable severe allergies are.
before i came into this, that was 95% of my worry about the whole thing. just feeling fatigued, inflamed, uncomfortable, etc. in my own home – permanently. we made a hard and fast rule never to allow the cat into the bedroom (large room with walk-in closet and space for my own work desk and things; effectively a uzi-sanctuary). but we went to a pharmacists on like, day 4, and got some of the strongest possible prescription medication for it. a twice daily pill as well as a sinus/nasal spray thing (as you'd take for hayfever - which i also suffer from) pretty much nixed the allergies. as i mentioned before, she has done a lot from the 'supply' side of the equation, so to speak, to minimise the cat's dander. food, daily brushing, constant hoovering, installing industrial-grade air purifier in the main room. it's more or less a managed problem.

she mentioned that she thinks the reason the cat constantly misbehaves and jumps up on our dinner and so on is because 'cats like to have verticality and be above things'. that may well be true, but blimey, i've been in a lot of houses with a pet cat and they're not constantly clobbering over my bangers and mash. it's poorly trained. i try to point out to her that she and the cat have formed an insanely over-attached relationship style (no fault of their own, it was the covid lockdown era, and so on), but it's hard to broach without then making her emotional and defensive. but i've never seen anything like it. i get far more peace with the animal when she's not at home: then it behaves like i'd expect an adult cat to behave, mostly minding it's own business, amusing itself, letting me know when it wants some food but otherwise quiet as an, erm, mouse. as soon as my other half is home, the cat constantly follows her everywhere, from dawn till dusk, and loudly miaows the ENTIRE time. it is literally endless. (and she WFH's for most days of the week, so that is basically the entire time.)

i am guessing having the bedroom/night sleeping removed from the cat has made it anxious or unhappy in some sense. but i'm not budging on that. we've moved into a brand new apartment and kept this room out of bounds from the start. it is minimally contaminated and i am not negotiating on that. i need a space to start my day, take my meds, wake up without reactions. a space to keep my clothes and workdesk, etc. where dander and cat hair aren't involved. as for the rest of her suggestions, well fuck ... we just paid a big premium for one of the most desirable 'designer' apartment types. i don't want to put cat trees everywhere and fill it with 'vertical toys' so that it looks like a fucking cat café. IIIII am unhappy in this space right now, to fuck with the cat's happiness meter. it already neglects a solid 80% of the toys or furniture she has bought for it over time. i really do not want to fill my beautiful 'new home' with tacky, hair and saliva-covered, smelly cat crap.

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you're lucky you can even do the allergy meds. i've family who can barely function on that stuff.

the verticality cat stuff can go where the cat's favored person's workspace is, and maybe another set off by some lonesome corner the cat likes to chill in.

imo, the lack of a cat tree doesn't cause cats to jump on tables and counters and stick their face in your food. that's more the cat's personality and instilled cat manners. some stuff that works for one cat may not work for another, blah blah blah. bowls of minced citrus peels may discourage the cat. or double-sided tape where you want it to keep off, or the aluminium foil trick. very challenging though of course when another person enables. orange peels worked amazingly with a siamese and a couple tabbies. multibillion industry pets are, maybe there's some off-spray that'll work.

tl;dr anecdote aside: i know a couple where one person invites the cat up onto the coffee table to lick plates. the other person doesn't want this for very understandable reasons. why do i know this? i have an unexplainable, approachable capacity as someone people just offload life stories and personal dramas onto. maybe it's because i've been around cats long enough that my brain mutated and emits disarming waves. perhaps that explains why republicans (and InDePeNdEnTs) who know i'm not a republican keep engaging me on republican policy. i could not care less that it was the party of lincoln in an argument about modern politics. it's 2025, brad, go read current stuff, and keep your cat off the coffee table.

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uziq
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yeah, i installed a floor-to-ceiling cat tree next to my partner's work desk, in the main bay window of the front room with the nicest view. it's kind of the 'selling point' of the apartment and yet it's by default the 'cat space' (it's the farthest away from the bedroom). the cat also has a small fold-out seat that is fastened to the same large bay window by suction cups. and a cat bed on the floor underneath the desk. and a large seat/scratching post thing nearby. and it likes to nap in her actual office chair mostly, too. i mean, the options are endless for it. it is in no ways a 'bored' or 'understimulated' pet. there's 3 separate balconies we let it out on to stare at things, chase cicadas, sunbathe, etc.

& yeah, i tend to agree. cats may feel comfortable having a vantage over things, but i've never been in houses where the cats are regularly lying down on the food shelves, climbing on the table at meals, or generally screeching and making a noise whenever they're not the center of attention. the fact we can't even enjoy a nice candle-lit dinner that we cooked together at the end of a long and productive day is just depressing. it's like the figurative baby-monitor going off every 7 minutes. the cat is needy and it isn't at all easy to explain that to my gf without her then getting upset. the number of times she has said something like 'do you want me to just kill my cat? give it away?' or some other melodramatic thing, when all i'm asking for is to not find cat hair in my vegetable stew, is really fucking draining at this point.

we are going to try the skunk-spray scented option that keeps cats away from certain boundaries. we tried taping up the doors with bubble-wrap and aluminium foil but this one doesn't seem perturbed by either of those things. at one point we were even sat having dinner with a fucking half-roll of aluminium foil stretched out across the dinner table, so the cat would stop springing onto it while we were eating. no dice. it's just ridiculous.

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I think you need some sensible agreed negotiated compromise limits for the cat with your partner.
Dinner table should obviously be off-limits.
Follow me for more relationship advice.

The only thing that works in my experience is instantly yelling at them and chasing or throwing them off as soon as they jump on an off-limits surface.
It took a month or so with the UK cat who had lived wild, probably about the same with the last two in Aus.
There are lapses but they twig and jump off quite quickly once they realise.

For an extreme mother cat-kitten sort of co-dependent bond - I don't know.
Some cats bond with one person and thats it. I would guess the parent cat has to do the disciplining.
There are ways to chastise cats without causing injury or real distress.

Otherwise I had guaranteed hay-fever for the duration of every set of exams from 14 to 20.
On the one hand it was miserable and soul destroying. People with dyslexia got free marks, I had to supply my own tissues and work through it.
There was no coursework, it was all exams, so every year filled with dread and despondence as it went on.
On the other if we've learned only one thing from the boomers its that the next generation should have it worse than we did.
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I have a NYT subscription. I checked to see if I could give you a gift link but it turns out you need an additional subscription to "NYT Games" to get to the crossword. I have had NYT subs for years. Crazy I still don't get access
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Yea, that seems to be a complaint.

I bought new headphones, bluetooth/wired capability. They work pretty well but specifically Battlefield 2 and 2042 break them and make em sound muffled. DICE pls
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dilbert's above is also correct. if passive countermeasures don't work on their own, being more direct can. caveat, again: sisyphus vs the boulder of another person's enabling.

i really cannot judge well from afar, but the melodrama sounds like it's in a bit of the orange/yellow flag range. personally, i could overlook it now and then irt a pet conflict but i've been around people who use "maybe i should justs" into hints of self-harm as a form of manipulation and it's not a nice feeling. it's a leap, sure, but i'd def look out for that.
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you’ve all been so kind and considerate, thank you.

she’s a lovely girl and a great partner. she’s just been single for a while and hunkered away with this cat. i think she’s gradually getting the message. i’ve probably been a little too hot tempered at times too - sleep deprived and under a mountain of pressure, etc. living in a foreign country can lead to cognitive bandwidth issues at the best of times.

i think we are going to consult some type of expert. last night the same performance. went to bed at 1am and the cat up and making a scene at 4am. before sunrise, house cool and comfortable, etc. cat well fed. but just seemingly severe attachment issues.
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yeah eyes on from non-lay could help.

there's a thought, though. i imagine there are a ton of great kitty daycares over there? if the beast is that clingy, maybe socializing with other cats and cat people on a semi-regular basis?
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My experience with cats is once they have a set schedule of activities they stick to it rigidly, although some of it is based on the ebb and flow of the household which varies.
It can be changed but it takes a bit of time and effort, they adapt to daylight saving twice a year, its not a huge deal.

This almost certainly is as simple as ignoring the wake up call for a couple of weeks, and your partner applying a bit of discipline and distance.

Getting the cat to stay off the dinner table can be done but if your partner is sensitive it needs a gentle progression starting by talking to them and lifting them off to yelling and sweeping them off at speed. Probably over a month also.

All our cats have learned
"Oi" Means stop what you're doing, or do it quickly and run.
"Hop-it" means get off what you're on
"Come here you munchkin" means run like hell

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Consulting an expert is probably the way to go about it, if only to convince your partner.

Or you can watch all the Jackson Galaxy case studies - The answer is usually tasty snacks, extra playtime and a high vantage point to escape to.
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uziq
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Dilbert_X wrote:

"Oi" Means stop what you're doing, or do it quickly and run.
"Hop-it" means get off what you're on
"Come here you munchkin" means run like hell
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Someone got stabbed and killed today in one of the worst suburbs of my city. I am pretty sure it was started by one of them saying "come here you munchkin"
uziq
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they must have been mad as a cut snake! the bloody drongos!
Dilbert_X
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Adams_BJ wrote:

Someone got stabbed and killed today in one of the worst suburbs of my city. I am pretty sure it was started by one of them saying "come here you munchkin"
Thats how everyone in this house gets stabbed.
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