uziq
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it was knowingly camp, especially things like black sabbath. can't say i've spent a lot of time listening to it, but come on, the am-dram and kitsch is all knowingly part of the act. it's like kayfabe in wrestling, or something.

you like musicals, another musical form that inspires a passionate following and is really rather hammy, at the end of the day. it's a day of playing dress-up. it's just as often very camp and queer as it is macho and toxic. look at someone like judas priest, for example.

as for musically uninteresting ... well, it's a very broad church. there's a huge diversity of styles. i don't really care much for the endless paginini-on-electric guitar solo or hair metal stuff. but sabbath and zeppelin and early examples like that were very consciously plugged into rhythm and blues and other interesting musical traditions. it's not entirely without merit or innovation.

sociologically, it was a bunch of working-class lads from the midlands making a ruckus and escaping their class-confined and predetermined path in life to end up in some factory or on the dole. why not?

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I liked that music back in high school. Now it does seem like of lame. The music I grew up with still sounds good like System of Down, Linkin Park, Korn. But otherwise eh. I like upbeat music that sounds good while stoned and you can interact with a girl while it plays in the background.

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I went to a ska concert in Brooklyn recently. About what you expected. First thing first it was 16+ instead of 21+ like a rave would be. Also I smelled barely any marijuana in the crowd. There were so few people getting high that I didn't use my vape because I didn't want to be the odd one out. Meanwhile if you go to a lot of other venues you will have people lighting up joints.

The ska concert was also very white. EDM shows are like a rainbow of people and very representative of the city. Ska, punk, and rock concerts are very much still tied to a subculture that became endangered around the Bush years. At least around here. I don't see Insane Clown Posse ads around here.

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I want to see Linkin Park live. I want to see how the lady lead singer does. Never got to see Chester before he deleted his map.

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ska is pretty cringe. up there with electro-swing in the pantheon of 'genres made unbelievably embarrassing by white people'.
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I haven't heard of electro swing in over 10 years. Good damn what a throwback.

Ska dancing is an acquired taste...but the whole suit and fedora stuff is charming in a way.
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uziq wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

ozzy, et al, pro israel.

it's not like it's hard to find videos of children begging for food and people collapsing and all the other widely distributed hellscape.
his wife and family are obviously extremely jewish (she was his manager, after all).

in addition, he's from one of the 2-3 cities in the UK which have notable, long-term jewish communities (manchester, birmingham, london). there's probably some sensitivity and consideration over that – lots of right-thinking, liberal/progressive brits have committed to israel's cause for similar reasons, thinking more of their neighbours than murderous bibi et al.
probably not going to be a lot of people laying into that as funeral guests, anyway.
i'd file it in the same category as radiohead being pro-zionist, in that one of their members is married to a jewish lady and so they've probably been inundated with 'both sides' rhetoric for decades.
that's starting to wear down, at least where i'm at. seeing a lot of palestinian flags and signs and stickers in support of the people starving to death. prior, there was a lot of the 'both sides' rhetoric.
also, frankly let's be real. ozzy has not been compos mentis for a long time, least of all since october 7th. it's a wonder the guy could remember his lyrics for their farewell gig in birmingham a couple weeks ago. i'm not looking to aged rockers who have been pickled in vats of alcohol and cocaine for their astute geopolitical takes.
that's a valid argument, but it wasn't just the gothfather. i'm still of two minds about it. i feel like a lot of perennial substance abusers, who aren't exactly up to date on stuff, don't like genocide.

i drove past a jewish demonstration today right off the highway condemning the one in gaza. they were getting agreeable honk-and-waves. i think it would behoove more people to be able to separate jews from isreal in their thoughts.
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

i think it would behoove more people to be able to separate jews from isreal in their thoughts.
Thats exactly what they want you to do - allow them to live their lives in your country while they overwhelmingly support Israel's genocidal actions - politically and financially and by flying there to take stints in the IDF murdering children.

Its not possible to separate Israel, jews living in Israel or the jewish diaspora - they are overwhelmingly one and the same.

There's a small amount of dissent but poll after poll shows the average jew fully supports the genocide of the Palestinians and works within whichever country they're in to enable it.

If they didn't fully support the Palestinian holocaust they could remove Netanyahu quite easily but they don't, they vote for Mr Genocide over and over.
If anything it seems likely the hard right zionists could unseat Netanyahu for not being genocidal enough.

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Newbie wrote:

that's starting to wear down, at least where i'm at. seeing a lot of palestinian flags and signs and stickers in support of the people starving to death. prior, there was a lot of the 'both sides' rhetoric.
I think Republicans will sooner tire of defending Israel than liberals defending Palestinians.

At some point the contradiction of making America great again while supporting Jewish expression will become too much.

The people who see this as the ideal of America
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Will want to make this a bit more low-key
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Give it awhile and Hamas will be a meme white pre teenagers will use to bully classmates.

"Hamas is going to get you Rachel. Hamas Hamas Hama. Even Taylor Swift supports Hamas"
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As for me? The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout 'SAVE US!'...and I'll look down and whisper 'take off that fucking yamaka'
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Thats exactly what they want you to do
nah, it takes the wind out of israel's rhetoric irt opposition being antisemitic.

it seems like a weird fifth-column concealing gambit for a jewish person to find a sidewalk emitting heatwaves like a looney tunes cartoon and stand on it in the height of the summer sun in high pollen and high uv index, drawing attention to israeli atrocities, and waving about anti-bibi, anti-idf, pro-palestine signs.

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one more wrinkle on that guy's forehead and he'll look like an ai gen'd gnome.
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

it seems like a weird fifth-column concealing gambit for a jewish person to find a sidewalk emitting heatwaves like a looney tunes cartoon and stand on it in the height of the summer sun in high pollen and high uv index, drawing attention to israeli atrocities, and waving about anti-bibi, anti-idf, pro-palestine signs.
Not very many of them though eh?
If jews were anti-genocide it wouldn't be happening.
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there were enough to disrupt the flow of foot traffic if i wanted to look at it like a cop. this was not seattle where people might get their expectations of washington demonstrations statewide, nor the only demonstration going on. does your neighborhood have a demonstration?

less jews in wa than tx, about as many per-capita as missouri.

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Yes, we have a group of zionist jews who meet up every sunday in the town centre.
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Already a meme

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Hulk Hogan is wrestling the Macho Man in the big ring in the sky.

2 boomer celebrity icons in a few days.
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Dont forget Theo Huxtable! Although those 3 celebs are probably more Gen X/Y icons, not Boomers
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really not looking forward to all the crying about that leathery, lying, racist, self-absorbed anti-union magat rat despised even by other wrestlers. it's all going to be rose-tinted lenses, even among the liberal boomers.

and no i don't feel like explaining why i roll my eyes in passing when i see him on screen. i've already been over it before. sometimes it's like "oh wow, i guess he really does suck, huh," and that's retained like water in a cracked sieve.

there's probably already a meme about death at the claw machine going for donald j trump and getting the wrong person, again.

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This just goes to show the very real impact lifestyle choices have on long term health outcomes. The oldest senator is 91. Hulk Hogan made it to 71.

When you have a heart attack do you instantly go lights out or do you briefly go through a "I'm going to die" panic attack?
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depends? i'm not sure of the specific grisly details of his death. i'm sure there's going to be plenty of articles this week explaining all the ways, and names for, your heart can mess up, and how this stuff is used interchangeably sometimes. as i understand it, cardiac arrest is mostly fatal. and even if you survive, a lot of life-changing damage can be done.
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uziq
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

This just goes to show the very real impact lifestyle choices have on long term health outcomes. The oldest senator is 91. Hulk Hogan made it to 71.

When you have a heart attack do you instantly go lights out or do you briefly go through a "I'm going to die" panic attack?
it goes to show that western medicine is already freakishly adept at keeping people alive for longer than their biblically assigned three score and ten.

no way should anyone blasting steroids like hulk or serious alcoholism like ozzy be making it into their 70s. it’s unnatural. in very real senses both of them were physically tuckered out in the 1990s.

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I think you are right. These guys' legacies, all you have when you are dead, would have been greatly improved by dying 15 years ago. You could even argue some people died at exactly the right time to not have fucked it all up. For example, David Foster Wallace and Chris Hitchens. Imagine if they went MAGA.

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Time is just fucking relentless. Everything eventually fades out of relevance. The online mood for Ozzy and the Hulk is pretty much 'good riddance' in a lot of spaces. Ozzy's antics doesn't resonate with young people who weren't there to witness the vibe of the time.

Also, Black Sabbath wasn't even a good band and their music frankly doesn't have broad appeal these days. I have the upmost respect for the living Rolling Stones and Beatles. Better artist.
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OK, so two drug-addled right-wingers who made a career out of pantomime entertainment and leave no legacy have died.

Don't care about the Rolling Stones either, a bunch of nasty chancers.
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Ahhhhhh flashbacks watching the first episode of the show. Give it 5 minutes and you can totally see the proto MAGA.
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uziq
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Also, Black Sabbath wasn't even a good band and their music frankly doesn't have broad appeal these days. I have the upmost respect for the living Rolling Stones and Beatles. Better artist.
lol. black sabbath just sold out a football stadium and raised like $180 million for children’s hospice and parkinson’s research. it was attended by most of rock royalty. a bunch of 70 year olds ffs. what doesn’t have ‘broad appeal’ is your neurotic fan-fiction written for subreddits and gaming forums. i think their appeal was plenty broad enough, even right up to the end. 

i was never a metalhead but it’s just a dumb-dumb take. ozzy was a respected musician and well-loved by his peers as well as his fans.

saying the beatles are better … well, sure, but in terms of longevity and universal acclaim basically 99.99% of all bands fail the beatles test. metal was never going to be as big as the first ever popular group/rock band. all the guys came from basically similar backgrounds though, and forged their own way in life, broke some moulds, etc. i don’t really get what there is to hate so viciously about it tbh. it’s not like black sabbath had any nasty controversies or skeletons in their closet. they just liked to drink a lot and make halloween-coded tunes with downtuned guitars?

hulk seems like a much less sympathetic fellow, and not only because of his politics. on the other hand, he was the guy that sank gawker dot com (funded by thiel, funnily enough; the man is everywhere). so even odious rednecks can sometimes help improve humanity in some tiny, inadvertent way.

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uziq
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Dilbert_X wrote:

OK, so two drug-addled right-wingers who made a career out of pantomime entertainment and leave no legacy have died.

Don't care about the Rolling Stones either, a bunch of nasty chancers.
lol the lack of self-awareness here is so funny.

we get it, you didn’t like the trendy and popular kids who had long hair and listened to rock bands back when you were at university. get over it ffs, nobody has any stakes in discussions like ‘are the rolling stones good?’ it’s 2025. you sound incredibly boomer-coded complaining about this stuff.

pantomime entertainment peddled by high-functioning drug addicts that speaks to large audiences of slightly weird misfits or teens seeking a tribe and identity … congratulations, you just described the lady gaga phenomenon you went all-in for. these things really can’t be too hard for you to grasp. let the brummies have their metal music, you’ve got your closeted 15 year old fraternity.

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