BF2S Forums The 'What Did You Buy Today' thread

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

what's weird is the blue collar people who also think you have to cater to them on everything else, and who use their essential skillsets to back up their unrelated arguments?

Everyone at every level thinks that.
Everyone including uziqe sneers and belittles up, down and sideways just as much as the next schlub with limited perspective, experience or humility.

zeek wrote:

isn’t there something a bit, well, precious about all this blue-collar posturing and demanding of respect, etc? seems awfully thin-skinned from the chapped hands brigade.

that.

i mean, it's one thing for a craft to be respected, and a person's skill in said craft to earn them associated respect. i think that's great. but that doesn't mean their unrelated opinions (vaccines cause 5g) aren't garbage, aren't anti-expert for anti-expert's sake, and aren't way too far out of their lane to be taken seriously by any reasonable listener.

exhaustive 'medical facts' about transwomen in sports, brought to you by the concrete mixer guy coincidentally way more in the know about the topic than your average doctor. lmao. "what, you don't like having driveways?" zing, guess you win.

dilbert wrote:

I mean, good luck getting chatgpt to fix that burst pipe.

blue collar and -ish stuff gets outmoded all the time. how much do you think an net+ cert from the 1990s is worth in 2025? a lot of people who work on old equipment are either retiring or dying of old age. tell a blue collar boomer that there's a special cdl for manual transmission now and they'll probably have a stroke.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2025-02-26 01:25:33)

Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

isn’t there something a bit, well, precious about all this blue-collar posturing and demanding of respect, etc? seems awfully thin-skinned from the chapped hands brigade. i wonder if the arrogant yet wholly average and unexceptional software engineer types will start acting all sensitive and demanding more respect once AI fully replaces them. ‘we used to make shit in this country!!!!’ such sensitive souls 🥹.

Is it any difference from the arts types posturing and demanding of respect, etc? seems awfully thin-skinned from the ink-stained hands brigade.

I'm reasonably confident people at the fuzzy edge of the digital economy will be replaced some time before people who actually perform physical tasks.

I mean, good luck getting chatgpt to fix that burst pipe.

where are all these arts types ‘demanding respect’? lmao. more tilting at windmills. you have some weird idea in your head that every person with a BA is an eton toff. i’ve told you repeatedly that it doesn’t even accurately represent 90% of the graduating class from the oxford-tier institutions you rail against.

this super effete, elitist, snobby caste … doesn’t exist. or is only a vestigial rump at this point, anyway. it’s anthony powell stuff. all the real children of power and privilege are working in finance or asset management. or doing PPE and going into politics. the arts?! it’s hilarious to me that you demonise some of the most self-selectingly harmless people.

whatever ‘the fuzzy edge’ of the digital economy is meant to be. i work for an institution that’s over a century old. i think ill be okay.

and clearly large language models are not the worry in the trades. it’s foreign labour. just like you’re terribly racist about your indian neighbours who are reasonably going to replace just about every sub-management engineering role in the next few generations. aren’t all these anxieties why you cheer on populist stupidity from the sidelines in the first place?

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i had great fun trolling the forum in an era when trolling was basically contained to video games and web personas. not exactly proud of it but i had the good sense to see when 4chan culture was spilling over into real life.

you seem awfully hurt over tittle-tattle on a video game message board; but which one of us has been a cheerleader for toxic politics with real-world ramifications? i know which way to vote and which causes are worth sticking up for. you are transparently racist about taxi drivers, colleagues, etc. should i feel bad for trash talking over a video game?

i mean, get a grip.

You were banned how many times? I never had so much as an AWM

I get on fine with my indian colleagues, although every meeting ends with me saying "sorry, I can't understand a fucking word you're saying"

I'm waiting on your next shipping tracker to show a literal missed left at Albuquerque.

OK, you do you.

Regarding blue collar workers...I get the vibe of resentment from some of the male custodians and security guards. It doesn't help that I am pretty metro sexual (remember that term?) So I would have the dress shoes with the matching watches for different days etc. The gender split for my job is 80/20 female to male. So I always have some lady giving me attention or reciprocating my own. So I get why some would be jealous. This jealousy happens between the support staff too. The Americanized Arab ladies get side eyed by the FOB ones.

Back when I was a car tech I remember the mechanics being resentful of the car salesman. Again I think a lot of this revolves around the attention from women that people receive based on their class. The car salesman always had time to chat up the lady secretaries or invite them out after work.

I realize a big part of why I am in the position of teacher instead of support staff is because my white guy dad was able to get me an education at a decent university. I don't hold that above anyone's head. But I also don't feel bad for the small drop of privilege I do have. Doubly so in regards to any angry white guy custodians or security. The amount of racial bullying and disrespect I had to deal with as a child they didn't have to. In retrospect I think all of that made me stronger than if I was just born some middle class white person in the same community. A lot of them never internalized the whole "everyone is judging you, you need to work hard to fit in" that my mom specifically drilled into me.

Maybe I have just become way more aware of how we dress and present ourselves have a big effect on our social interactions. I always knew it but it is different when you really start putting in the effort. I know to click X if I see a girl with a profile that is club/working class/gym. The dating apps filter guidance counselors, librarians, and teachers to me. And I guess I learned to communicate in the language and style of dress of that class to be successful with them.

They really don't teach that to kids in school. Guys specifically. It is only something I learned through watching and copying others. I am thankful I joined this forum and met a lot of older (white) guys like Kmar, Ken, etc. who encouraged professionalism in dress and appearance as well as behavior. A lot of the young people aren't getting sent those influencers at all. They instead follow the vulgar influencers that you complained about before. I am not sure how appropriate it would even be to teach boys stuff like that. How would a blue collar father feel if his yuppie teacher tries to talk his son into tucking in his shirt?

The STEM vs humanities stuff is so 2014. Undergrad millennial bullshit. It is so odd and old of us to still be talking about it. It is like someone in their 50s debating Clinton. What a disaster of industrial policy for the U.S. by the way. China and Indian combined has 10 times as many people as the U.S. And they spent vast sums to educate more STEM students. Meanwhile in the U.S. we were telling children they need to prove their manhood by working in an oilfield.

And there is nothing wrong with working a blue collar job. But fuck did you need to make a conservative political superstructure around it? I know Teacher Tik Tok can be annoying but we just don't do memes like this.

JROTC? jordan peterson has an online course for that.

I agree with the ROTC concept. Great concept. They have an issue with higher rates of pedos though. We going to let the Catholic priest in next too?

We should make school fully remote.