uziq
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the first use-case of bitcoin was as an anonymous currency for illicit underworld/black market stuff on the darkweb. i think only the early nerds and believers in the technology behind cryptocurrency were seeing the wider, society/market-altering potential of the stuff. for most people it was presented as a 'oh, you want to buy drugs or guns? go to this website, buy this anonymous currency at a rate of 20 per dollar, and then go and do your transaction here'. and even those people were a kind of tiny, in-the-know minority. it wasn't exactly obvious how to even navigate and do any of those things to the uninitiated.

for a full 5 years bitcoin was just considered a sort of accessory to the 'silkroad online' type culture. it was for buying drugs at the consumer level and money laundering at the dealer level. a purely instrumental tool in a multi-step process of hiding your tracks. nobody saw it at a ticket to vast speculative wealth except for the egg-heads who had helped devise it.

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SuperJail Warden
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The whole thing with Bitcoin and Tesla too just confirms that many Americans have too much spare income to pour into financial instruments.

Tesla was another great investment if you got in early. The stock has a P/E ratio of 114 while Google, Amazon and Microsoft are hanging around 25 to 40. Money is flowing into Tesla and Bitcoin that is disconnected from reality.

Of course the people that got in at the right time plus the scammers will point out the fact that the numbers in the computer system keep going up. And everyone gets the FOMO. But ultimately nothing new is being produced or made from it all. And it will all end badly for many people.

And I don't ever want to hear "the country is broke. We can't afford it." Meanwhile people are consistently dropping large sums of money into stocks and Bitcoin.

It isn't even an issue with greedy CEOs and stuff like Luigi killed that guy over. It is just that you have a lot of people with money that have nothing to invest it in that produces value outside of computer systems.
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uziq
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bitcoin and the stock market going zoom were almost concomitant with the biden admin printing covid stimulus checks. it's quite literally the case that many americans had spare income to burn during that period. others were watching their businesses get wiped out and their family numbers decimated.

agree that tesla is ridiculously overvalued. that has been waiting to pop for a while. for now the entire business seems to be kept going as a proposition because of carbon credits. it's a giant scheme for redirecting government largesse – like most of musk's and peter thiel's operations – with a small car-making and battery tech division on the side. but the engineering simps like to believe in the myth that their own tony stark is the master of the universe and has created some of the most valuable companies of all time during the pandemic years due to his own genius.

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SuperJail Warden
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The stimulus checks set off a buying spree in a lot of areas. Stocks and collectibles especially. Funny enough that the people who were able to move their money into those areas during the pandemic were white collar and tech workers who were working from home.

Trump and Musk are both part of this bizarre thing where people put all their faith and love into some celebrity they identify with. Taylor Swift, Musk, Trump. All part of the same process. It almost makes individual narcissism a healthier state of mind.
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uziq wrote:

the engineering simps
some of these guys are self-proclaimed nerds who haven't touched a sci-fi harder than brian herbert (lol) in over 2+ decades. about as far from techbros as protozoa is from a complex multicellular organism. the olds among them, who maybe have some college last century, are anti-expert know-it-alls, and impervious to new knowledge or fact checks that contradict whatever dubious nuggets of wisdom they've got cored. "no, that's what the origin of 'rule of thumb' is! it was on boondock saints, and i read it in a book somewhere! …no i don't remember the title."

others were watching their businesses get wiped out and their family numbers decimated.
overlapping on the same Venn diagram

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