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civilian corps lol. isn’t something like 40% of the total firefighters risking their life there basically prison slave labour? america is a long way from civil service.SuperJail Warden wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiW_dfnaeEQ
The stories about people staying behind to fight the fires in their communities is something. That amount of self sacrifice is impressive and something I hope I would do. America really needs to better promote civilian service corps for natural disasters like this. But I could see the government turning around and relying on that instead of using the country's boundless wealth to help its people.
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California's department of corrections says individuals who are part of this program are there voluntarily and are paid between $5.80 and $10.24 per day, with additional pay provided during emergencies and in other circumstances.
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Tylek, of Worth Rises, questions how voluntary the assignment are given that California's corrections department, like many prisons across the country, requires inmates to work. Prison labor programs, generally, have historical ties to the end of the Civil War and the passage of the 13th Amendment, which abolished slavery "except as a punishment for crime" — an exception that prison rights advocates like Tylek say allows for exploitative labor.
She acknowledged some individuals do want to work for the firefighting program. And there are many who have found a calling in the work.
"But it comes at a pretty steep cost," Tylek said noting that she's heard from people badly injured while doing this work at a very low wage.
A 2018 Time investigation found that incarcerated firefighters are at a higher risk for serious injuries. They also are more than four times as likely to get cuts, bruises or broken bones compared to professional firefighters working the same fires, the report found. They were also more than eight times as likely to face injuries after inhaling smoke, ash and other debris compared with other firefighters, the report said.
California's corrections department said incarcerated people do not face disciplinary action if they choose not to serve their time in a fire camp. The inmates also undergo safety and first-aid training as part of the program.
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Since 2018, the year in which Colorado banned the use of unpaid prison labor, a movement emerged calling on states to change their constitutions to remove the 13th Amendment "exception." An NPR investigation found that even in states that approved this change, prisoners were still being used for low or unpaid labor.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Aqueductpirana6 wrote:
Is there a water pipeline from northern California to southern?
Is this the equivalent of asking for newsom to transfer the heat in pacific palisades to texas where its desperately needed
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Those people get hit with Tornados and other stuff too. It is a case of "it won't happen to me" thinking.uziq wrote:
national insurance? so people in podunk poor flyover states get to contribute to keeping the premiums of beachfront californians down? that sounds like a good system for breeding yet more MAGA ressentiment.
People are trying to blame DWP for that reservoir but I doubt it was gonna help much if it was full. In LA u got a massive sprawl with houses spread out and built right up against fire prone habitat. Couple that with an extremely dry start to our rainy season, a strong Santa ana event and a spark and shit goes bad.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
i would hazard at least more water storage and funding for new equipment and upkeep so they have enough stuff to deal with city-wide fires that are going to happen more and more, but i'm not a civil engineer, firefighter, or environmental scientist.
there's a lot of boomers right now who just can't wrap their heads around fires spreading in 90mph winds.
i suspect fire 'seasons' will continue to worsen and be endless, and fire events will grow ever more devastating in the wake of climate change. not too long ago it was like 120F in the mountains of…canada.lil_droo wrote:
People are trying to blame DWP for that reservoir but I doubt it was gonna help much if it was full. In LA u got a massive sprawl with houses spread out and built right up against fire prone habitat. Couple that with an extremely dry start to our rainy season, a strong Santa ana event and a spark and shit goes bad.
They're probably gonna rebuild those areas the same way too instead of building more dense housing into the basin.
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LADWP is objectively bad at managing their resources. It doesn't solve the water pressure problem or the lack of a cohesive infrastructure plan for LA County (of which Karen Bass has minimal input), but the fact a reservoir wasnt backfilled does shine a spotlight on various levels of mismanagement by LADWP.lil_droo wrote:
People are trying to blame DWP for that reservoir but I doubt it was gonna help much if it was full. In LA u got a massive sprawl with houses spread out and built right up against fire prone habitat. Couple that with an extremely dry start to our rainy season, a strong Santa ana event and a spark and shit goes bad.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
i would hazard at least more water storage and funding for new equipment and upkeep so they have enough stuff to deal with city-wide fires that are going to happen more and more, but i'm not a civil engineer, firefighter, or environmental scientist.
there's a lot of boomers right now who just can't wrap their heads around fires spreading in 90mph winds.
They're probably gonna rebuild those areas the same way too instead of building more dense housing into the basin.
alright there is no way this account isn’t just a 20-year long piece of performance art. this is marina abramovic and i want my cut of the royalties.lil_droo wrote:
Sick as fuck in my hotel right now with crazy body aches and fever. Probably karma for not coming back to LA. Maybe for Hiroshima and Nagasaki too. Maybe for slaying gaijin hunters
Multi-faceted problems are multi-faceted.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
There's also this weird American trait of trying to assign all the blame for something without knowing all the facts (or in the case of many of our current thought leaders, without knowing ANY of the facts).
Dilbert_X wrote:
"There's been a plane crash, just a smoking crater left"
"Do you think the wings fell off?"
"Hard to say, not much to go on"
"Maybe the engines failed, do you think the engines failed?"
"Erm, hard to say really"
"What about turbulence, could that be the cause?"
"Look I don't know"
"Maybe it was a bomb, could it have been a bomb?"
"Its literally a fucking crater OK"
