VeNg3nCe^
¦Tactics Øver Principles¦
+314|6893|Antarctica
Do you know why?  Because of all the Karkand smurfs.  SF was released, a few weeks later most of the Karkand smurfs are back on their fav 24/7 servers.  A few days after EF was released all the smurfs went back to Karkand.  AF is going to be no different.  "waaah too many tanks - oMGz A-10 is overpowered NERF!11!!! - omg u vehicle n0obs u suck i pwn joo at infantry!!11 - wat the f**k maps r too big!111oneomgz!1!!"


Your average smurf doesn't realize there is more to BF2 than Karkand and Wake.  This game is about tanks, jets, helis, light transports, and infantry.  I love to play inf myself but huge vehicle fights are awsome.  Expect to see all the "OMG EA SUXX RELEASE aF NOw!1111!11!!" nubs back on Karkand in less than a week.  Its a shame that such a good all-round game is slowly turning into a CS-like shooter instead of adding to all aspects of the game.
polarbearz
Raiders of the Lost Bear
+-1,474|6976|Singapore

What's new then hmmm? It was a timebomb waiting to blow.
Longbow
Member
+163|6834|Odessa, Ukraine
n00bs will always cry about vehicle pro's . I personally hate armor whores on Karkand , but they are part of balance . When all n00bs will understand this , this fucking crying about every skilled player will end.
- for you , you're right .
Lib-Sl@yer
Member
+32|6900|Wherever the F**k i feel like
one of my fav maps is shonghon THE LEAST PLAYED MAP EVAR!
Answeller
Usual Suspect
+16|6886|İstanbul,Türkiye
I usually dont agree with you but you speak the truth this time. I for one cant find any good ef servers.
-1 for you (cause you like neg karma).

Last edited by Answeller (2006-05-31 00:05:44)

notorious
Nay vee, bay bee.
+1,396|6934|The United Center
karkand should just be nerfed.

...and by nerfed i mean removed.

...put de_dust in its place.
polarbearz
Raiders of the Lost Bear
+-1,474|6976|Singapore

Or cs_mansion.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,978|6819|949

Lib-Sl@yer wrote:

one of my fav maps is shonghon THE LEAST PLAYED MAP EVAR!
whats shonghon?
voltage
Member
+46|7028|Sweden
Seems ppl that enjoy Karkand often also enjoy flying bombers (who doesn't?) so it might become popular anyway. Only need to fool someone to be cannonfodder for those bombers and it's all set.
No_Smoking
all your base are belong to us
+35|6884|Sacramento
your right.
EA should nerf nubs instead.

regardless, AF? point me to a BUY IT NOW button and let me have at it
ReDmAn_ThE_uNiQuE
oh hai :D
+156|6839|The Netherlands

ThomasMorgan wrote:

karkand should just be nerfed.

...and by nerfed i mean removed.

...put de_dust in its place.
NOES!@!!!
I'm trying to play other maps / karkand but you can have fun there so much.. I deffenitly don't whore the armor but I did. You can get so many points for that, that I think there always gonna be man that stick with karkand.
=DHG=Col.Kilroy
Member
+1|6757
Whole heartedly agree....wayyyyyyyyyy to many whiners out there....We at =DHG= Doghousegamers have our own server and believe the game is WAR!! Deal with it !!!..We admire those that ask before raping or whatever and our answer is IT'S WAR!!!! .. may not like it ourselves at times but still....AF will be an awesome game!! Bring on the Warthogs!!...Bring on the WAR!!!..and stop by our server (69.41.178.119)..we run just about everything, come check us out and leave whiners behind!! www.doghousegamers.com is our website.... BRING ON THE FURY!!!!!
voltage
Member
+46|7028|Sweden
@ReDmAn_ThE_uNiQuE: It's EA that should ask themselves why Karkand are so popular and change the other maps accordingly - or vehicles.

Last edited by voltage (2006-05-31 00:27:40)

Longbow
Member
+163|6834|Odessa, Ukraine

ReDmAn_ThE_uNiQuE wrote:

I'm trying to play other maps / karkand but you can have fun there so much.. I deffenitly don't whore the armor but I did. You can get so many points for that, that I think there always gonna be man that stick with karkand.
It's a pitty , but n00bs are 85% of players . So EA will do all n00bz want , just not to let them play another games . New nerfs - and n00bs will stay , will buy new boosters etc .

Last edited by Longbow (2006-05-31 00:26:44)

MrBrain
Member
+24|6878|Finland

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Lib-Sl@yer wrote:

one of my fav maps is shonghon THE LEAST PLAYED MAP EVAR!
whats shonghon?
Songhua Stalemate, or however it's spelled. The name isn't a common sight. I like that map alot too, dunno why so many servers don't run it. I've never understood why some ppl just play kackland or rape island 24/7. What's the fun with playing the same map over and over again? Wake is one the worst maps in BF imo, jetwhores rule and there is nowhere to go except straight into enemy fire and water.
morphman001
Member
+9|6749|Melbourne

ThomasMorgan wrote:

karkand should just be nerfed.

...and by nerfed i mean removed.

...put de_dust in its place.
are U SERIOUS????.....kARKAND OFFERS THE BEST OF ALMOST ALL ASPECTS OF BF2 (EXCLUDING AIR SUPPOT),which is a nice change once in a while,i mean it has close quarter infantry combat,complex multi level layout and those who have tank fetishes well go for it,but skilled spec-ops soon sort them out,sniping positions and great gameplay when played with good squads....also good for obtaining those new OH-SO-HARD-NOW badges to get..lol.
After ive had my fill of bombing/flying and generally playing more open style maps i loooove to get into a fast frantic inf map such as karkand,,,so quit whinging tHE MAP ROCKS!!
iD
Hates most server admins.
+7|6843
the ranking system screws up the game. without, there would be different mapcycles, some good custom maps and less karkand point farming.
ozzie_johnson
Member
+98|6845|Penrith, N.S.W, Australia
the only maps i really play are karkand wake and sharq and mash.
Bernadictus
Moderator
+1,055|6924

VeNg3nCe^ wrote:

Do you know why?  Because of all the Karkand smurfs.  SF was released, a few weeks later most of the Karkand smurfs are back on their fav 24/7 servers.  A few days after EF was released all the smurfs went back to Karkand.  AF is going to be no different.  "waaah too many tanks - oMGz A-10 is overpowered NERF!11!!! - omg u vehicle n0obs u suck i pwn joo at infantry!!11 - wat the f**k maps r too big!111oneomgz!1!!"


Your average smurf doesn't realize there is more to BF2 than Karkand and Wake.  This game is about tanks, jets, helis, light transports, and infantry.  I love to play inf myself but huge vehicle fights are awsome.  Expect to see all the "OMG EA SUXX RELEASE aF NOw!1111!11!!" nubs back on Karkand in less than a week.  Its a shame that such a good all-round game is slowly turning into a CS-like shooter instead of adding to all aspects of the game.
Be glad they didn't put the A10 in full strenght in. The Avenger GAU-8 would be the ideal gun for nerfing.

https://www.satt.org/grafiken2/smurf.gif

And these are smurfs!
voltage
Member
+46|7028|Sweden
Wake offers some infantry battle as well. Not counting the jets/transport choppers, it have the same vehicle amount as Sharqi (2 attack choppers, 3 tanks/APC).

No wonder EA don't make new maps for free, pretty much only Karkand is played and that might make the call for new maps sound a bit strange. Still it's not the players that do anything wrong, it's the vehicle balance that needs to be adjusted (not nerfing necessarily, rather the rock-paper-scissor setup needs rematching).

Last edited by voltage (2006-05-31 00:54:52)

Sarrk
O-O-O A-O A
+788|6843|Brisbane, Australia

ThomasMorgan wrote:

karkand should just be nerfed.

...and by nerfed i mean removed.

...put de_dust in its place.
Fuck no, throw some Aim or Fy maps in,
shadow18alpha
I attend BF2 Anonymous Meetings
+129|6862|Warlord/Bellevue,WA
*rolls eyes* Karkand smurfs, come up with something original for once. Either way I'll be playing maps with the jets in them since I'm getting a new joystick.

Last edited by shadow18alpha (2006-05-31 02:10:43)

TheDarkRaven
ATG's First Disciple
+263|6811|Birmingham, UK
Just because there is a classic map and most people like it, doesn't mean that it shouldn't be there or they shouldn't have the right to play it all they want. Personally, Karkand opens up al lthe possibilities of the game apart from helicopters and planes, but everything else is to a tee. I do play other maps, but I haven't done for a while (as I will freely admit) because I have found some good Karkand servers where people play a mix and are willing to listen to other's opinions. I too, have something against the armour 'whores' but they are there as a balance - get some C4 in there! The principles apply to all maps, but people like Karkand because of it's fast-paced action and matches that often go down to the wire. Sadly, I have to say, one problem with maps with planes and/or helicopters, is that one team can be drastically overpowering and all aspects (infantry and vehicles) of one team get destroyed. On Karkand, and say, Mashtuur there is less to go wrong meaning a more balanced game and possibly more (funner? - definitely more common) infantry action. This is why, I feel, Karkand should be chosen to play - not for points (but it is also good for that too - a knock-on effect)!
Herackles
Member
+33|6814
What's Smurfs...Isn't that a candy!?

Last edited by Herackles (2006-05-31 07:51:50)

T0tal-Annihilation
Member
+6|6873|Marietta, GA (near Atlanta)
lol candy hahaha...

imo, Karkand is probably the best map minus the vehicle whoring...
lots of city strategy...
for me, karkand is a good sniping map...
for others, it's just a map for getting pts by camping with a tank/apc.
people say mashtur is a good map, but it's just not as big as karkand is and there just aren't as many mashtur servers vs. karkand servers.
considering the fact that a huge percentage of high ranked people are/were once vehicle whores, I'm sure AF would be good for them.
As for me, I'm sticking to infantry strategy/tactics.

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