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Britain is pretty well a failed state at this point, not far off Sri Lanka or Venezuela.

that's really dumb logic. a society can take adequately take care of both.

whilst we have been focussing on 'offending cartoon characters', china have also been busy genociding an entire ethnic group with thousands of years of history off the face of the earth. do you really need me to even list the long litany of human rights abuses and dystopian strangulations of freedom going on in china? this is your contradistinction to 'woke' politics?

my point in mentioning it is to highlight that the conservative party are all-in on dumb populism and 'culture wars' bullshit. that's the right wing, who spend all their time fighting fictitious enemies on 'the left' who apparently are obsessed with undermining society using LGBTQ+ rights or, uh, something. instead the 'conservative realists' are conspicuously light on actual economic policy, or even defence policy, for that matter. because that's what the culture wars are ultimately, isn't it? it's the rich and powerful in society complaining endlessly, on the television channels and in the broadsheet media which they and their billionaire-class media mogul friends own, about a phantasmal 'enemy' on the 'left' who are hurting their feelings or inconveniencing them in some minor way. uwuuuu. snowflakes!!!

a healthy society can have a cogent economic vision AND allow for social and cultural reforms without becoming some decadent, soft-bellied wimp nation. thank fuck, the west doesn't need to emulate china's repressive social vision in order to maintain a military, or carry out economic reforms.

do you know how to use your fucking head at all?

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the west has been in managed economic decline ever since the neoliberals thought it was a good idea to export manufacturing and labour to the developing world in the 1990s and relax all regulations on wall street's financial shenanigans to artificially extend the 'good times' logic of endless growth and profit. our 'growth' in the last few decades, such as it is, has been speculative fantasy growth, stock market bubbles, not anchored in any material reality.

be that as it may, it has fucking nothing to do with 'woke' politics or advances made in social attitudes in those times. a few minority groups lobbying for better representation, or people's softening attitudes on gay rights or trans representation, have not hollowed out the economic base of the west. that was your ruling-class, echt-liberal white men. it was the establishment, the big bosses and bankers, the capitalists.

do better in your analysis. the west isn't in decline because of leftist activism. the white ruling class happily sold and exported its own future down the river for short-term profits.

it's also tedious and predictable in the extreme that the person espousing quasi-fascist rhetoric about 'wimps' and 'military might' has ... zero military service and can't even cook his own dinners. what are you going to do about china, you soy boy?

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the left itself has formulated a critique of identity politics. it has been the standard line in leftist thinking since the 1990s. identity-politics and the liberal obsession with 'woke' topics represents, in the left's view, the capitulation of the main ground of political argument to the right wing. that is, at some point in the 1990s (fukuyama's 'the end of history' and the dawning neoliberal consensus), opposition politics stopped trying to win any arguments about how to structure the economy. all that was leftover for centre-left parties, social democrats, liberals, etc, to do was fuss over 'id-pol' and things like pronouns. that's because they already ceded the main topics of contention to the ascendant right wing. call it the 'overton window' of electoral politics, if you will. the entire western worldview post-1990s was a market-based logic, not a state-based one as pertained, say, briefly in the welfare states of the post-ww2 consensus. no liberal or left-wing party could possibly hope to win any election by campaigning on the old pre-1990s grounds. the market conservatives had won and were steering the ship.

that's it. it's not a 'magicians distraction on both sides'. it's the neoliberal consensus that got us into this shitfuck, a bunch of presuppositions dreamt up by free-market economists in chicago and packaged as reaganism/thatcherism. to say nothing of the temporary double-dip into neoconservatism in the bush-cheney years.

All your jobs went to China? If we compensate blacks for slavery everything will be OK.

this is so dumb as to almost be a non-sequitur. nobody is proposing recognition of slavery as a fix for the economy?

this 'both sides are to blame' stuff is really lame and, again, terrible analysis. recognize who has held all the power in these years and all the capital. the need to state that the 'left do it too' is totally blind and oblivious to the MASSIVE asymmetries in power and representation, here. the 'woke left' haven't done diddly squat to damage the west and turn it into a 'wimp' faction. 99.8% of the harm has been due to neoliberal economic policy, verging on a mass dogma, blind faiths in 'trickle down' or 'welcoming china in from the cold' and so on, not shuffling around pronouns in company email signatures or examining the legacy of slavery. get a grip ffs.

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you just know "and so are their friends" = jews. just use the (((them))) nomenclature like the other alt-right cranks on the webs, dilbert.

uziq wrote:

this 'both sides are to blame' stuff i

At this point neither side can do much, all this distraction stuff is useful to prevent a revolution.

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/statu … ics-latest

good thread giving insight into conservative base's feelings about this leadership contest.

glad to hear all the cynical culture wars bullshit isn't having any effect on them.

lots of the tory candidates are involved in tax-evading shenanigans. don't know what his race has to do with it ...?

conservatives are all for getting out of taxes, particularly any of the home counties base who actually have assets and wealth.

sunak doesn't play well with the red wall voters because he is patently very privileged and yet is trying this 'child of immigrants' trope. it's a non-starter.

as someone recently said on the great twittersphere: "going to university made me [a british asian] realize that i have much more in common with other working-class white students than i ever do with the rich brown people on campus".

yes, well done. did you open your christmas crackers 5 months early this year or something? make sure you put on your paper crown.

Mordaunt didn't go to Oksferd and is a cat person.

Penny Mordaunt is the PM the country needs.

The only positive about Boris Johnson was he had the balls to support Ukraine.

Whereas Macron and Scholz have been colossal fags.

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Dilbert_X wrote:

All this woke stuff is typical magician's distraction, on both sides.

you should see woke content characteristics.