Poll

Should America close military bases and stop aid to EU?

Close them all and stop aid.25%25% - 50
Just close bases now that they don't need protection.16%16% - 32
Just cut aid.7%7% - 14
Lower number of bases and aid.10%10% - 21
Lower just bases.5%5% - 10
Lower aid.3%3% - 6
Just cut the French out.32%32% - 65
Total: 198
CameronPoe
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afrocullions wrote:

to mads: Actually i decided not to do a thesis about us aid to Ireland or Sweden or wherever but i did find that we have been giving N.ireland aid in efforts to deal with the ira problems.

Beginning in 1986, the United States has contributed aid each year to the International Fund for Ireland, of which 75 percent is required to go to Northern Ireland. As the main contributor to the fund, the United States gave more than $300 million by 2001 and now gives about $25 million a year.
http://www.internationalfundforireland.com/

My question to the anti american irish is do you hate all 300 million of us or everyone but the millions that immigrated from your country ?

I dont think we give much if any aid to sweden looks like they are doing ok however we give lots of aid to former Yugoslav states and eastern europe and they are part of the EU.

to shitfy: America created house trance whatever you want to call it so youre gona have to stop listenin to it if you want to continue your hate crusade against america.

to vilham: Thats funny how you call me ignorant but dont know shit about history and decide to spread misinformation anyhow.. ill help you out. Germany was allied with Russia and they both attacked Poland but hitler hated the bolsheviks, the Russians werent aryan, and he attacked Russia in 1939. Hitler would have never allied with Russia and vice versa after he attacked them. Also if you knew your history youd know that there was a nazi diplomatic relation between england and hitler tried to ally with churchill.. but churchill was over here massaging roosevelts ballsack to save his ass.. yeah we did youre welcome

russia ally with hitler? youre a fucking dumbass...
Afrocullions. I do not hate America or Americans. I simply argued the fact that the REPUBLIC OF IRELAND and practically all EU states receive no governmental financial aid from the US because we DO NOT NEED ANY. That's all. Time and time again I have to reiterate that I am from the REPUBLIC OF IRELAND. Not Northern Ireland. 

Afrocullions - do not try and imply that because I rubbish your arguments that I hate ALL Americans. That is just ludicrous. I have American relations. The Irish practically built USA and have generally had very cordial relations with American people and the polictians that represent them.

Again to finish, the REPUBLIC OF IRELAND is a sovereign nation within the EU that is INDEPENDENT of all other nations. We do not receive aid, nor do we have any military bases belonging to USA on our soil (as we are a neutral country).

It seems to me that people who have presupposed ideas about a topic or about a person will continue to hold those beliefs blindly despite evidence contrary to their argument. They also presume things about the person they are arguing with that have no basis in fact.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-05-30 09:30:27)

Spearhead
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ROFL at the negative karma

Today 12:00:43 -1 Should America close bases and stop aid to EU? For a pointless post about cheese
Vilham
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lol cheese.

anyway ive made my final comment lets get back to the actual topic whether america should close bases or not.
Miner
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Keep them here, brothers! We need your money!

Seriously, do you really think that the bases would be here because some countries are just generous... Its about having a relationships between countries, not -lol- protection!

Who would attack us, oh yeah.. The evol terrorists. I have this saying, if I need something from, lets say, my friend. I will ask it for war against terrorism.

P1- Hey -insert random name-! Can I have your car for this weekend?
P2- Hey, well.. Why do you need it?
P1- War against terrorism.
P2- Ok, well.. Sure, take it.

We dont need a protection, but we need your money. Otherwise the money would be taken from european citizens...

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flossmore
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afrocullions wrote:

Point&Shoot wrote:

I think the Americans should keep their troops out of other countries...ALL of them.  Just in case the US thinks some country needs a change of leadership.  Not to mention the fact the US is so far in debt particularly due to military expenditures.  Maybe if they tended to their own first instead of meddling in other people's business their economy wouldn't be on the verge of collapse.
hey retard go take an economics class please..

the debt is what america owes itself and does not harm the gdp wich is how you judge an economy

on the contrary its nowhere near collapse moron ...its the strongest in the world and noone else is close
THANK YOU!!!  Was about to teach a class on economics but you helped me out.
afrocullions
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Vilham wrote:

Guess you dont know that the reason D-Day occured when it did was due to the fact that Stalin threatened go into a pact with hitler because Russia couldnt take the pounding this information is agreed by hundreds of historians and documents from the world war. Heres a short list of some of the books that ive read that state this:

Stalin : A Biography
Adolf Hitler : The Definitive Biography
Pegasus Bridge - D-day: the daring british airbourne raid
D-day by Steven E. Ambrose
First Light
End of the Beginning
Stalingrad
Alamein: War without hope
Berlin

There you go, read up a bit.

I also know that Churchill didnt agree to ally with Hitler but dont kid yourself that it was because of Roosevelt, who at the time was licking Stalins ass just so he didnt submit to Hitler.
youre so misinformed .. you prolly believe every conspiracy therory if you believe that..

stalin urged america to push dday faster becuase he needed relief in the eastern front. absolutely every historian will tell you that his implying he would negotiate was simply posturing. dead giveaway was how much the russians hated the germans one example thier cruely on both sides to the civilians.. russia wanted revenge and never seriously considered allying.  hitler knew he was bullshitting and fortified the defenses in france. the reason it took so long is logistics and the reason it happened when it did is becuase thats when we could.

you believe bullshit..
Vilham
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afrocullions wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Guess you dont know that the reason D-Day occured when it did was due to the fact that Stalin threatened go into a pact with hitler because Russia couldnt take the pounding this information is agreed by hundreds of historians and documents from the world war. Heres a short list of some of the books that ive read that state this:

Stalin : A Biography
Adolf Hitler : The Definitive Biography
Pegasus Bridge - D-day: the daring british airbourne raid
D-day by Steven E. Ambrose
First Light
End of the Beginning
Stalingrad
Alamein: War without hope
Berlin

There you go, read up a bit.

I also know that Churchill didnt agree to ally with Hitler but dont kid yourself that it was because of Roosevelt, who at the time was licking Stalins ass just so he didnt submit to Hitler.
youre so misinformed .. you prolly believe every conspiracy therory if you believe that..

stalin urged america to push dday faster becuase he needed relief in the eastern front. absolutely every historian will tell you that his implying he would negotiate was simply posturing. dead giveaway was how much the russians hated the germans one example thier cruely on both sides to the civilians.. russia wanted revenge and never seriously considered allying.  hitler knew he was bullshitting and fortified the defenses in france. the reason it took so long is logistics and the reason it happened when it did is becuase thats when we could.

you believe bullshit..
man your a moron, stalin wanted D-day early due to the fact that he needed hitler to withdraw soldiers from his front rather than reinforcing it. If d-day hadnt happened he wouldnt have had a choice but to submit to hitler. Seriously you blatently havent done modern history or read any books have you.

to this comment: hitler knew he was bullshitting and fortified the defenses in france. the reason it took so long is logistics and the reason it happened when it did is becuase thats when we could.
WTF they werent even talking to each other so how would "hilter know he was bullshitting".

The other allies wanted D-day delayed a long time to get fully prepared, they couldnt because that would mean losing the eastern front thus allowing hilter to move his better troops to france. Seriously either go out and read some books on WWII or shut up, you have already been proved wrong by any arguement you had here, dont make it happen again.
afrocullions
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Look douchebag youre fucking retarded i read LOTS of history and i KNOW wtf im talking about and you are talking about shit you dont understand.

Heres a quick history lesson for you dumbass ....

Battle of stalingrad changed the tide of the war. Spring 1942 russia was on the offensive feb 1943 russia took back Stalingrad. By the time d-day happened on june 1944 russia was in full offensive. D-day was not the savior of Russia.. so shut the fuck up about Stalin allying with Hitler that was NEVER even considered Stalin threatened to negotiate never to ally. Use your brain he doesnt have to "talk" to Hitler it was publicly stated in newpapers and Hitler knew this was a ploy to hurry the invasion and it is documented that after that statement Hitler fortfied the Atlantic wall.

You cant prove shit moron i've taken 2 years of history in college. You spread ignorance with your bullshit not based on any facts. Have you even graduated high school ? I know it's nothing they taught in you in school but some stupid shit misconception you dreamed up on your own.
Vilham
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well i trust the english teaching of Late history at A2 level more than i trust any american teaching seeing as we learn euro history and according to my cousin who live in new york and is half american, isnt tought much in his sylabus which is likely the same as yours if not very similar, so im not even going to debate this with you, your wrong; you teach the creation story as literal truth and that says it all.

The simple fact is the germans were on the retreat and still kicking the russians ass in terms of kills and destruction of equipment, they were losing too many men to keep up the attack. Now on a serious note read stalingrad, a book i was recommended to read by my history teacher it tells you every little detail about the eastern front, the most commended book based on eye witnesses and 10,000 of documents, it explains everything.
tonybls12
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afrocullions wrote:

Look douchebag youre fucking retarded i read LOTS of history and i KNOW wtf im talking about and you are talking about shit you dont understand.

Heres a quick history lesson for you dumbass ....

Battle of stalingrad changed the tide of the war. Spring 1942 russia was on the offensive feb 1943 russia took back Stalingrad. By the time d-day happened on june 1944 russia was in full offensive. D-day was not the savior of Russia.. so shut the fuck up about Stalin allying with Hitler that was NEVER even considered Stalin threatened to negotiate never to ally. Use your brain he doesnt have to "talk" to Hitler it was publicly stated in newpapers and Hitler knew this was a ploy to hurry the invasion and it is documented that after that statement Hitler fortfied the Atlantic wall.

You cant prove shit moron i've taken 2 years of history in college. You spread ignorance with your bullshit not based on any facts. Have you even graduated high school ? I know it's nothing they taught in you in school but some stupid shit misconception you dreamed up on your own.
read this you dum shit

Tehran Conference
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From left to right, Stalin, Roosevelt, and ChurchillThe Tehran Conference (codename SEXTANT) was the meeting of Joseph Stalin, Franklin D. Roosevelt and Winston Churchill between November 28 and December 1, 1943 that took place in Tehran, Iran. It was the first war conference among the three world powers (the USSR, the U.S. and the UK) in which Stalin was present. It succeeded the Cairo Conference and was followed by Yalta Conference and Potsdam Conference. The chief discussion was centered on the opening of a second front in Western Europe. At the same time a separate protocol pledged the three countries to recognize Iran's independence:

"The Three Governments realize that the war has caused special economic difficulties for Iran, and they are agreed that they will continue to make available to the Government of Iran such economic assistance as may be possible, having regard to the heavy demands made upon them by their world-wide military operations, and to the world-wide shortage of transport, raw materials, and supplies for civilian consumption." (Declaration of the Three Powers Regarding Iran, December 1, 1943)
Most importantly the conference was organized to plan the final strategy for the war against Nazi Germany and its allies.

Contents [hide]
1 Major conclusions
2 Overview
3 Bibliography for Overview
4 Tripartite dinner meeting
5 Declaration of the Three Powers
6 The Conference in the arts
7 See also
8 External Links
9 References
10 Footnotes



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Major conclusions
An agreement was made stating that the partisans of Yugoslavia should be supported by supplies and equipment and also by commando operations.
It was agreed that it would be most desirable if Turkey should come into war on the side of the Allies before the end of the year.
If Turkey found themselves at war the Soviet Union was to support them.
Took note on November 30 that Operation Overlord would be launched during May 1944, in conjunction with an operation against Southern France.
It was agreed that the military staff of the Three Powers should from then on keep in close touch with each other.
Britain and USA had promised Stalin that they would send troops over to Western Europe, it was agreed that they would arrive in Spring of 1944.
At the insistence of Stalin, the borders of post-war Poland were determined along the Oder and Neisse rivers and the Curzon line.
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Overview
The key Allied leaders, Roosevelt, Stalin, and Churchill, were known as the “Big Three” because of the might of the nations they represented and their peaceful collaboration during World War II. These three leaders met together only twice during World War II, but when they did conference, their decisions changed the course of history.

The first of these two conferences, the Tehran Conference, took place in Teheran, Iran. It only came about after much pleading and threats from Roosevelt, who was weak and ailing at the time, but wished to strengthen the cooperation between the United States, Great Britain, and the USSR. In fact, Roosevelt wanted this meeting so much that he was willing to make numerous concessions to Stalin, something that, in the world’s eyes, was a sign of weakness. His weakness also was evidenced in the choice of the location itself, a place that was highly convenient for the relentless and brutal Stalin, and out-of-the-way for the evidently ill Roosevelt.

Churchill and the British diplomats hoped to establish a method for dealing with Stalin before the conference, and therefore, they arranged the Cairo Conference. However, the Cairo Conference did not go as planned. Roosevelt was withdrawn and edgy, ignoring the Stalin issue, and the conference was mainly spent discussing future policy with China and Japan. From the Cairo Conference, it appeared that Roosevelt planned to deal with Stalin alone, but his health would not permit him negotiate with Stalin from a strong focused position. In fact, Roosevelt arrived in Teheran on November 28, 1943 with little bargaining power and in poor physical condition. In contrast, Stalin arrived jubilant and swaggering because of the USSR’s most recent victories in the Eastern Germany, and he clearly held the upper hand. Churchill was calm and focused, hoping to promote his Mediterranean plan.

The Teheran Conference was the first three-power war conference of World War II, so the first thing the United States and Great Britain did was to ensure full cooperation and assistance from the Soviet Union for any and all war policies. Stalin agreed, but at a price: Roosevelt and Churchill would have to support his reign and the partisans in Yugoslavia, and also allow for the manipulation of the border between Poland and Russia. Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin then moved on to more important matters, mainly Operation Overlord and general war policy. Operation Overlord was scheduled to begin in May 1944, in conjunction with the Soviet attack on Germany’s eastern border. The attacks would combine the force of Canada, the United Kingdom, the United States, and numerous other countries, and would later be known as “D-Day,” the series of battles that decided the war’s end. The “Big Three” spent days wrangling about when Operation Overlord should take place, who should command it, and where operations should begin.

Next, Roosevelt gave Stalin a pledge that he had been waiting for since June 1941: that the Anglo-Americans would open a second front in France in the spring of 1944. This was Stalin’s major political objective of the war, so he was well-satisfied. Concerning general war policy, the Soviet Union requested backup troops in Western Europe, and it was agreed that these troops would arrive in the spring of 1944. It was also agreed that the Soviet Union would enter the war against Japan once Nazi Germany was defeated. Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin also concurred that the Axis powers would face unconditional terms of surrender, and that once defeated, the nations in league with the Axis powers would be divided into territories to be controlled by the USSR, the U.S., and the U.K. In regard to common alliances and international relations, Iran and Turkey were mainly discussed. Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin all agreed to support Iran’s government, as addressed in the following declaration:

The Three Governments realize that the war has caused special economic difficulties for Iran, and they are agreed that they will continue to make available to the Government of Iran such economic assistance as may be possible, having regard to the heavy demands made upon them by their world-wide military operations, and to the world-wide shortage of transport, raw materials, and supplies for civilian consumption.

In addition, the Soviet Union was required to pledge support to Turkey if they found themselves at war, and Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin decided that it would also be most desirable if Turkey entered the war on the Allies’ side before the year was out. Despite being forced to accept the above arrangements of the conference, Stalin dominated, using the Soviet’s victory at the battle of Kursk and military might, as well as key positions on the German front, to get his way. Roosevelt attempted to cope with the crushing onslaught of demands, but with few strategic positions and various other bargaining powers, he was unable to do little except appease Stalin. Churchill mostly argued for his Mediterranean plan instead of Operation Overlord, something that annoyed all diplomats and officials. Therefore, Stalin plowed his way through the conference, checking off items on his to-do list. One of Roosevelt and Churchill’s main concessions concerned post-war Poland. Stalin wished for an area in the Eastern part of Poland to be added to the USSR, and for the border to be lengthened elsewhere in the country. Roosevelt and Churchill agreed to this demand, and Poland’s borders were declared to lie along the Oder and Neisse rivers and the Curzon line, despite protests of the Polish government-in-exile in London. Churchill and Roosevelt also gave Stalin free rein in his own country, and allowed the USSR to set up puppet communist governments in Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, the Baltic States, Romania, and other Eastern European countries. After the aforementioned conclusions were made, Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin returned to their own countries to carry out war policies, with the agreement that military leaders of the three countries would meet together often, for further discussion. So, thus ended the friendliest and most productive conference of World War II.

Later on, critics claimed that Roosevelt and Churchill were weak, refusing to stand up to Stalin. However, looking back on the conference, it is arguable that it was Stalin who was forced to make the most concessions and to fight the hardest for what he wanted. Stalin gained the most and lost the most at the Teheran Conference because he came in with both the largest agenda and the upper hand.
lowing
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Point&Shoot wrote:

I think the Americans should keep their troops out of other countries...ALL of them.  Just in case the US thinks some country needs a change of leadership.  Not to mention the fact the US is so far in debt particularly due to military expenditures.  Maybe if they tended to their own first instead of meddling in other people's business their economy wouldn't be on the verge of collapse.
Oh my GOD, what i would give, for you to have your wish come true!!!
CameronPoe
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lowing wrote:

Point&Shoot wrote:

I think the Americans should keep their troops out of other countries...ALL of them.  Just in case the US thinks some country needs a change of leadership.  Not to mention the fact the US is so far in debt particularly due to military expenditures.  Maybe if they tended to their own first instead of meddling in other people's business their economy wouldn't be on the verge of collapse.
Oh my GOD, what i would give, for you to have your wish come true!!!
Seconded. The US don't need to fuck around elsewhere - the US could be souping up its own infrastructure and making it an even better place to live without bothering with the rest of the world (instead of spending money on campaigns elsewhere and military aid to the likes of Israel).

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-05-30 16:19:51)

lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Point&Shoot wrote:

I think the Americans should keep their troops out of other countries...ALL of them.  Just in case the US thinks some country needs a change of leadership.  Not to mention the fact the US is so far in debt particularly due to military expenditures.  Maybe if they tended to their own first instead of meddling in other people's business their economy wouldn't be on the verge of collapse.
Oh my GOD, what i would give, for you to have your wish come true!!!
Seconded. The US don't need to fuck around elsewhere - the US could be souping up its own infrastructure and making it an even better place to live without bothering with the rest of the world (instead of spending money on campaigns elsewhere and military aid to the likes of Israel).
that way, we get OUR wish, and THEY get what they deserve................................................each other!!
afrocullions
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nice cut and paste tony got a fuckin point ?

Vilham you can suck my dick thinking your high school can compare to my college. I dont give a flyin shit if you wont accept it ..anyone with history knowledge and a brain knows that stalin would never ally with hitler after he attacked and the fact that you think so makes me think youre fuckin stupid. Fact is he NEVER mentioned allying and only mentioned a potential cease fire and churchill and roosevelt wanted unconditional surrender. The cease fire was only mentioned in an attempt to put a fire under the allies ass. Now little boy make sure you keep going to junior high or wherever the fuck you go cuz you got some shit to learn.
Sorcerer0513
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afrocullions wrote:

nice cut and paste tony got a fuckin point ?

Vilham you can suck my dick thinking your high school can compare to my college. I dont give a flyin shit if you wont accept it ..anyone with history knowledge and a brain knows that stalin would never ally with hitler after he attacked and the fact that you think so makes me think youre fuckin stupid. Fact is he NEVER mentioned allying and only mentioned a potential cease fire and churchill and roosevelt wanted unconditional surrender. The cease fire was only mentioned in an attempt to put a fire under the allies ass. Now little boy make sure you keep going to junior high or wherever the fuck you go cuz you got some shit to learn.
My, my, afrocullions, your college education is quite amazing.

afrocullions wrote:

to vilham: Thats funny how you call me ignorant but dont know shit about history and decide to spread misinformation anyhow.. ill help you out. Germany was allied with Russia and they both attacked Poland but hitler hated the bolsheviks, the Russians werent aryan, and he attacked Russia in 1939. Hitler would have never allied with Russia and vice versa after he attacked them.
Last time I heard, Germany attacked Russia in 1941 not 1939. You missed by two years, but you were close, I admit.

You see, I've read a lot of your bullshit and I can't be quiet anymore. So a little hint to you: Before you post any information, I would suggest you check it is true, so you don't look like a complete fool when others prove you wrong. I would also not boast with the so called superior education if I were you.

Ontopic: I think US won't close the bases in Europe for a while, because it needs them to project its power in the region. They are also good for the local economy TBH, as they provide work for people in the area around the bases.

As for aid: There was supposed to be some military aid given to my country by the US for the modernisation of the army when we were preparing to enter NATO, TBH. I guess US wanted our army to be able to fight next to them in NATO. But since we're in NATO now, I don't think we get anything now. At least there's nothing in the news. So cut whatever aid you want.

Edit: Oh yeah, that was before we became members of the EU(military aid), so I guess it doesn't count

Last edited by Sorcerer0513 (2006-05-31 01:49:08)

DonFck
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afrocullions wrote:

..attacked Russia in 1939.

Sorcerer0513 wrote:

Last time I heard, Germany attacked Russia in 1941 not 1939.

..So a little hint to you: Before you post any information, I would suggest you check it is true, so you don't look like a complete fool when others prove you wrong. I would also not boast with the so called superior education if I were you.

Archives of the German Foreign Office wrote:

NAZI-SOVIET RELATIONS, 1939-1941

I. Tentative Efforts To Improve German-Soviet Relations, April 17 - August 14, 1939
II Agreement Achieved, August 14 - August 23, 1939
III. The Pact Executed and Amended, August 23 - September 28, 1939
IV. German-Soviet Cooperation, October 2, 1939 - May 29, 1940
V. Friction in the Baltic and the Balkans, June 4 - September 21, 1940
VI. The U. S. S. R. and the Three Power Pact, September 25 - November 26, 1940
VII. Soviet Resistance to the German Advance in the Balkans, December 18, 1940 - March 13, 1941
VIII. The Soviet Treaties With Yugoslavia and Japan, March 25 - April 13, 1941
IX. The Failure of Efforts to Preserve Peace, April 15 - June 22, 1941
Source 1
Source 2
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Sh1fty2k5
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Im sorry afrocullions but you're not too popular in this thread. Mainly cause everything you spit out is wrong. Just like Sorcerer said, Russia was attacked in 1941, not 1939. Also, Stalin wanted D-day so the allies could build up a new front in the west, so hitler would have to move his soldiers from the eastern front to the western front, thus giving the russians fewer germans to fight. The turning point of the war was in 1943, when the russians could start to counterattack the germans on a large scale. Sure, the germans were beaten at moscow, but that didn't halt them. Also the battle at El-Alamein is considered one of the turning points of the war. The battle at El-alamein resultet in the fact that Europe could be attacked from the south. So sure, go ahead an give us your knowledge Afrocullions, but i'll have to say that i haven't seen one statement from you that could be considered correct. And what are your grades in history?

Last edited by Sh1fty2k5 (2006-05-31 00:48:15)

Bernadictus
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Do us europeans a favor, pack and leave! And I'm not against American people, I'm against American Policy makers and politicians.
Sorcerer0513
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Well, I'd have to disagree with you Sh1fty2k5 on the turning point of the war. This is completely off topic, but anyway. I say it was in 1942, with El Alamein, Midway and the Battle of Kursk. In all those battles, the allies won, and the axis war machine never recovered from that.
Vin
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Aid? lolololol What aid? Europe doesn't need aid from the U.S.A.And we don't need your fighter planes and guns too. American bases are terrorist targets, please pull out of Europe.Please leave Europe, we are waiting for this moment for ages. If americans leave Europe, it will be much safer, because everybody knows that the only people who have the whole world hating them are americans.
agwood
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Being in the military myself, I strongly feel that almost all of the traditional US bases established in Europe (with the exception of the ones in the UK) should be closed and the troops should be moved to the new bases that the DOD is planning in Eastern Europe. When the BILLIONS of dollars that the DOD blasts into your economies, not to mention the millions that the troops stationed there blow in your cities and towns is gone I think that a lot of Europeans will wish we were still there. The Romanians, Bulgarians, Czechs and Hungarians would love to get there hands on some good ol' American Dollars and they are tripping over themselves to get deals signed.

    I would also like to see the US Military stop funding NATO at nearly 70%, remove all US troops, completely cut any aid humanitarian or financial, military spending or selling of US military parts to the government of Turkey (I would like to see all those shiny F-16's in Diyarbakir try to fly without parts assholes). That would help repay the Turkish government for decades of extorting money and ill gotten power from the US and her people. It would also help to end the ethnic cleansing the Turkish Government is committing (and has been for some 30 odd years) on the Kurds in eastern Turkey... don't believe me.. try reading a little, (the Armenians got it pretty bad too) I have seen it with my own eyes so you'll never convince me that it is not true. Don't get me wrong The Turkish People are some of the Warmest, most caring people I have ever had the pleasure to live amongst.. there government though.. that is a truly different story.

Last edited by agwood (2006-05-31 22:36:38)

afrocullions
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fuck off douche i meant 1939 the war started that doesnt change the fucking fact that you think that after being attacked by hitler stalin considered allying with hitler and attacking the allies that was my main point and the fact that you think thats true makes you a proper fucking retard.

i could give a flying shit if some ignorant euros want to be on your side ..do me a favour and find another ignorant fuck that supports your ridiculous notion that stalin wanted to ally with hitler then ill have found myself 2 fuckin dipshits. please find more insignificant errors whils ignoring your major retarded blunder. a's in history
DonFck
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afrocullions wrote:

fuck off douche i meant 1939 the war started that doesnt change the fucking fact that you think that after being attacked by hitler stalin considered allying with hitler and attacking the allies that was my main point and the fact that you think thats true makes you a proper fucking retard.

i could give a flying shit if some ignorant euros want to be on your side ..do me a favour and find another ignorant fuck that supports your ridiculous notion that stalin wanted to ally with hitler then ill have found myself 2 fuckin dipshits. please find more insignificant errors whils ignoring your major retarded blunder. a's in history

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Spark
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Gee, I really wonder what your history grades are...

Quotes to note:

"The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, also known as the Hitler-Stalin Pact or Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact or Nazi-Soviet Pact and formally known as the Treaty of Nonaggression between Germany and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, was a non-aggression treaty between the German Third Reich and the Soviet Union. It was signed in Moscow on 23 August 1939, by the Soviet foreign minister Vyacheslav Molotov and the German foreign minister Joachim von Ribbentrop. The mutual non-aggression treaty lasted until Operation Barbarossa of 22 June 1941, when Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union."

"Negotiations between the Soviet Union, France and the United Kingdom for a military alliance against Germany stalled, mainly due to mutual suspicions. The Soviet Union sought guarantees for support against German aggression and recognition of the right of the Soviet Union to interfere against "a change of policy favorable to an aggressor" in the countries along the western Soviet border."

But, surprise surprise, it took 'barely a week' for the pact to be violated. By the USSR.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
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Once again another forum post causing a ton of pointless arguements 

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