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This should in fact be the new flag of NATO
This should in fact be the new flag of NATO
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totally deluded. the polish do not want a war with russia. they're one of the cagiest and most afraid people of a conflict.Dilbert_X wrote:
I imagine the Poles would relish a war with Russia after what Russia has done to them.
There's no actual reason why NATO can't supply weapons of any kind to Ukraine, its not technically an act of war I think.
America is doing all the restraining.
It would be interesting if it were a British Harpoon which actually took out the Moskva, timing is right.
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being torn apart during the last 2-3 major conflicts on the european continent will do that to you. the polish do not want to escalate the war.
have been regularly in touch with a few polish friends, and one of their family's, since the start of the conflict. know about the refugee situation there pretty well. the polish, like the baltic states, are afraid of 'what's next'. this isn't some silly tom clancy fantasy in their head, as it is in yours. stick to the target pistols imo.
The Polish govt are being the most aggressive in proposing sending offensive weapons to Ukraine and they'll be the next closest country to Russia assuming Ukraine falls.
But you know some Polish guy who is a bit nervous so I guess that settles it.
But you know some Polish guy who is a bit nervous so I guess that settles it.
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poland has a government with a pretty right-wing twinge. the 'polish govt' figures you have seen proposing ideas like sending all of their fighter jets to ukraine, and being quietly rebuffed by washington for such proclamations, were previous to the ukraine conflict the sort of swivel-eyed, sub-trumpian/sub-orban moron that you wouldn't pay much moment to.
but clearly you know the complexion of the polish government and their relation to 'the polish guy' in the street.
but clearly you know the complexion of the polish government and their relation to 'the polish guy' in the street.
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How many Polish people do either of you know? Have you ever paid a Pole for sex? Did you ever move to Poland for sex?
Poland is going right-wing, the whole of europe is going right-wing.
Who could have imagined the French Presidential election would be a nail-biter between Macron and Le Pen?
Multiculturalism doesn't work, it annoys people and they become more right-wing.
I'm sure uziq will cling on to the idea that only "a tiny tiny old and stupid minority" of europeans are right-wing, in spite of the evidence as with so many things
Who could have imagined the French Presidential election would be a nail-biter between Macron and Le Pen?
Multiculturalism doesn't work, it annoys people and they become more right-wing.
I'm sure uziq will cling on to the idea that only "a tiny tiny old and stupid minority" of europeans are right-wing, in spite of the evidence as with so many things
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Actually the only time I ever thought I might violence was from a Polish guy at work - he was as mad as fuckSuperJail Warden wrote:
How many Polish people do either of you know? Have you ever paid a Pole for sex? Did you ever move to Poland for sex?
For some reason he decided to hold a meeting in the metrology room but didn't put a sign on the door.
I opened the door and he went berserk for interrupting his meeting and not knowing he was holding a meeting in a non-meeting room.
The Polish guy at my last job was a creepy liar.
I think Poland should start a war with Russia.
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they dont really have multiculturalism in poland and neither refugees lmao.Dilbert_X wrote:
Poland is going right-wing, the whole of europe is going right-wing.
Who could have imagined the French Presidential election would be a nail-biter between Macron and Le Pen?
Multiculturalism doesn't work, it annoys people and they become more right-wing.
I'm sure uziq will cling on to the idea that only "a tiny tiny old and stupid minority" of europeans are right-wing, in spite of the evidence as with so many things
France has wholly embraced multiculturalism and have at least twice almost elected a right-wing racist as President.
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the french policy of laicite is not 'multiculturalism', it means official, civic secularism, and it pre-dates the great war as an official state policy.
but, yes, surely the rise of Le Pen is irrefutable evidence that multiple cultures coexisting in france has been a miserable failure.
the collapse of centrist politics in france is an interesting phenomenon, but you need to talk more about the history of the French left inasmuch as you need to talk about liberal policies promoting immigration or whatever it is you're constantly horny about.
but, yes, surely the rise of Le Pen is irrefutable evidence that multiple cultures coexisting in france has been a miserable failure.
the collapse of centrist politics in france is an interesting phenomenon, but you need to talk more about the history of the French left inasmuch as you need to talk about liberal policies promoting immigration or whatever it is you're constantly horny about.
I'll talk about whatever I like thanks, the fact is multiculturalism makes people racist and you can see it right across 'liberal' europe.
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Or, were the racist elements already racist. Hmmm.
speak for yourself, at the least, then.Dilbert_X wrote:
I'll talk about whatever I like thanks, the fact is multiculturalism makes people racist and you can see it right across 'liberal' europe.
nobody i know is racist or grumbles about multiculturalism.
for something that’s so self-evidently a massive failure, i sure see a very different picture in the cities i’ve lived in. but i’m sure an expat in adelaide who seldom leaves his parents’ suburb knows the daily grain of multicultural europe.
Half of France is poised to vote for Le Pen, who you know personally is irrelevant against that kind of backdropuziq wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
nobody i know is racist or grumbles about multiculturalism.
So far I've had a better take on world opinions than you - Brexit for one.for something that’s so self-evidently a massive failure, i sure see a very different picture in the cities i’ve lived in. but i’m sure an expat in adelaide who seldom leaves his parents’ suburb knows the daily grain of multicultural europe.
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france has this same ruction with candidates from the extreme right/left in every primary. it's part of their presidential roadshow. there's the first round where it seems like the sky is falling, then there's an actual second round where they mostly put their protestations to one side and vote for a sensible candidate.
le pen's rise in the polls in the last few elections has really given food for thought, yes. as i said, the collapse of the sensible centre in france is a phenomenon worth close scrutiny. but to make out that 'half of france' are far-right and extreme racists is very fanciful, and you're ignoring the entire dynamics of their electoral process. much as you claimed that 'poland wants a war with russia' because of the statements made to camera by a swivel-eyed far-right minister from their version of trumpland.
brexit again, lol. yes, an amazing take. when you confused nigel farage for the actual vote leave campaign and seemed to think that people voted for a no deal brexit from the start.
you're very bad at details, which is not a good sign. traducing opinions or glossing over 3-4 years of history is not big and it's not clever. do better.
le pen's rise in the polls in the last few elections has really given food for thought, yes. as i said, the collapse of the sensible centre in france is a phenomenon worth close scrutiny. but to make out that 'half of france' are far-right and extreme racists is very fanciful, and you're ignoring the entire dynamics of their electoral process. much as you claimed that 'poland wants a war with russia' because of the statements made to camera by a swivel-eyed far-right minister from their version of trumpland.
brexit again, lol. yes, an amazing take. when you confused nigel farage for the actual vote leave campaign and seemed to think that people voted for a no deal brexit from the start.
you're very bad at details, which is not a good sign. traducing opinions or glossing over 3-4 years of history is not big and it's not clever. do better.
The electorate voted five times for Brexit with not even a draft deal on the table.
Its seems you're focused on trivia and personalities and your immediate orbit and miss the big picture.
Its seems you're focused on trivia and personalities and your immediate orbit and miss the big picture.
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very aware of the big picture, thanks, have spoken here at length before on the origins of populism in europe going back to pre-2008.
that it devolved into the 'get brexit done' soundbite after several years of fuck-ups isn't the point.
but they were (mis)lead to believe that a deal was possible? by the very leaders of the vote leave campaign??? why the fuck do you keep making out that the majority of british people are hardcore xenophobes who voted willingly for a no-deal brexit? it's literally, egregiously untrue. michael gove and boris johnson, the two politiicans who headed the brexit campaign, both spoke repeatedly on the record about getting a deal.with not even a draft deal on the table.
that it devolved into the 'get brexit done' soundbite after several years of fuck-ups isn't the point.
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That was pie in the sky, there was nothing on the table.
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it's very odd you want to revise and speak for people's reasons for voting for brexit.
only a fringe extremist minority wanted no-deal brexit from the start. even the tory euroskeptics were smart enough to know that plunging out of the EU without any sort of deal would be an economic disaster.
inducing people to vote for things based on false promises and pies-in-the-sky isn't exactly novel or surprising. it's how the campaign was sold and marketed. '£300 million extra a week for the NHS' was pie-in-the-sky, too. but it still motivated people to put that check-mark in the 'leave' box.
as i said, you're very bad on details and want to smooth it all over to fit your neat narrative. then you claim i 'don't get the big picture'. lollll. ok,, boomer. sorry that i have an inconvenient fidelity to the truth of events.
only a fringe extremist minority wanted no-deal brexit from the start. even the tory euroskeptics were smart enough to know that plunging out of the EU without any sort of deal would be an economic disaster.
inducing people to vote for things based on false promises and pies-in-the-sky isn't exactly novel or surprising. it's how the campaign was sold and marketed. '£300 million extra a week for the NHS' was pie-in-the-sky, too. but it still motivated people to put that check-mark in the 'leave' box.
as i said, you're very bad on details and want to smooth it all over to fit your neat narrative. then you claim i 'don't get the big picture'. lollll. ok,, boomer. sorry that i have an inconvenient fidelity to the truth of events.
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it's very odd you want to revise and speak for people's reasons for voting for brexit.
Do I have to find the chart again? The majority of people who voted for Brexit were ok with no deal.only a fringe extremist minority wanted no-deal brexit from the start.
er, no you don't, you're a serial fantasistsorry that i have an inconvenient fidelity to the truth of events.
What you do is dismiss anyone who doesn't agree with your worldview as 'stupid' 'ignorant' 'rabid' 'old' 'fringe' 'minority' etc.
Then you get blindsided by the future because your ignorant, lazy, stupid, minority turns out to be an activewell-organised and well-informed majority.
What if I told you:
All the old reactionary boomers you so despise would have been activists in the 60s and 70s?
They probably achieved an awful lot more progress than you ever will, too selfish to actually lift a finger or do - anything really
My guess is they've seen 'multiculturalism' etc from the beginning and seen its a net negative, and now they're voting against it as a bloc
Sorry if this doesn't fit with your loosely held ideals
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it's amazing how much your ranting about multiculturalism overlaps with the sort of thing at the top of this page, from russian state tv.
'well-informed majority'. are you really calling the brexiteers 'well-informed'? after spending years here gloating, in your weird perverse fashion, about the disastrous fallout of brexit? linking articles about how it's been a swindle? even suggesting it involved russian collusion? but now all those xenophobes and populists are 'well-informed'.
make fucking sense. your narratives don't even connect or have any consistency.
'well-informed majority'. are you really calling the brexiteers 'well-informed'? after spending years here gloating, in your weird perverse fashion, about the disastrous fallout of brexit? linking articles about how it's been a swindle? even suggesting it involved russian collusion? but now all those xenophobes and populists are 'well-informed'.
make fucking sense. your narratives don't even connect or have any consistency.
People voted for Brexit, and will vote for Le Pen for various reasons.
Not all of them are ignorant idiots as you keep suggesting and they make a balanced decision.
Not all of them are ignorant idiots as you keep suggesting and they make a balanced decision.
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don't underestimate the power of propaganda.Dilbert_X wrote:
People voted for Brexit, and will vote for Le Pen for various reasons.
Not all of them are ignorant idiots as you keep suggesting and they make a balanced decision.
Don't underestimate the power of actual events to influence people's opinions.
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go out and ask how many russians think theyre military operation in ukraine is succesful.
ze germans were a smart bunch and see how quickly they turned to "cleansing" their neighbors.
ze germans were a smart bunch and see how quickly they turned to "cleansing" their neighbors.
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