uziq
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plus lots of highly publicised stories of them killing holocaust survivors ... bombing jewish holocaust memorials ... in the name of 'de-nazification'.
uziq
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https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status … g&s=19

cool twitter thread.

don't you even dare newbie ... you just outed yourself in that last post. we all know you're following forest warders on twitter now.
unnamednewbie13
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On one hand, it doesn't really seem like Russia planned for a conflict longer than a week. On the other, Putin seemingly had new anti-protest laws ready to go (?), which you'd think would be a waste of time if the conflict with Corrupt Ukraine was only supposed to last for a few days.

Honestly I don't "follow" anything on twitter, in case you missed the part where I don't have an account with them. It's a lot of second-hand links from news articles and other social media. Which is really more twitter than I'll ever click in a day.
uziq
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putin has been clamping down on protests and opposition for years. the takeover of the state media and legislature/duma and judiciary has not a recent thing. he basically is a one-man institution at this point. it isn't hard to push through any legislation or have a judge pass a new edict in a week there.
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I suppose it's not beyond imagination that he wrote it on a napkin and passed it down. Just seemed rather rapid as far as state actions go to me. Like you'd figure there would be at least a month before they got their shit together enough to update.
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The legislative process is only so slow in the U.S. because we have to compromise and go through each step. The writing of the bill is something that can be whipped up in hours by someone who knows how to write them.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
unnamednewbie13
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Er, I'm not trying to align it with US expectations. I just pointed out that the update (press already being controlled) did seem ready to go, very quickly.

It's not as if he can't shotgun decrees right and left, I suppose. That one earlier this month that prohibited Russian citizens leaving with more than $10k in foreign currency, lol.
uziq
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i mean, they banned meta/facebook and other social media websites in a reactive way, labelling them 'extremist organisations' after they moved to shutdown russian misinformation campaigns on their networks. tells you everything you need to know about how fast legislation can get pushed in russia. it's not as if they could have had that law in gestation prior to the invasion.
unnamednewbie13
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It wouldn't surprise me learning the extent some of this stuff had already been floating around in planning. Russia like you say was of course already a country significantly into state-owned media.

Didn't Erdogan try to ban twitter once?
uziq
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this is a huge dump of words, even by LRB standards, but many interesting and insightful accounts/analyses here:

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v44/n06 … y-9-day-16
Day 5, Day 9, Day 16: Responses to the Invasion of Ukraine

quite a few of its contributing editors were on the ground in ukraine in the run-up/early days of the invasion, e.g. james meek, who spent a decade or so living and working in ukraine/russia. a lot of good stuff.
uziq
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https://twitter.com/pevchikh/status/150 … 32518?s=21

lollll this thread.

one day later and she’s sanctioned.
Dilbert_X
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Questions swirl over whereabouts of Russia's defense minister
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/24/euro … index.html

https://i.imgur.com/miscOWf.jpg
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Dilbert_X
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uziq wrote:

plus lots of highly publicised stories of them killing holocaust survivors ... bombing jewish holocaust memorials ... in the name of 'de-nazification'.
And yet Israel is siding with the Russians. Sad!

Actually its one holocaust survivor and and one memorial to a wartime massacre - which amazingly amounted to more non-jews than jews. Not sure why they bothered with a memorial really.

I do feel sorrow for the Russian people over this, the vast majority of the soldiers who had no choice in this. They're going to have to live with this on their conscience never mind the conscripted kids who have died or lost their toes to frostbite.
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Russian forces no longer have full control of Kherson, the first major Ukrainian city that President Vladimir V. Putin’s forces managed to capture as part of his invasion, a senior Pentagon official said on Friday.

Ukrainian forces are now fighting fiercely in Kherson and pushing back Russian gains there, again making the strategically important port city “contested territory,” the official told reporters during a briefing.

That contradicts a statement released on Friday by Maj. Gen. Sergei Rudskoi, the chief of the Main Operational Directorate of the Russian military’s General Staff, who claimed that the Kherson region was “under full control.”

Any Ukrainian success in taking back Kherson would be a huge blow to Mr. Putin’s war effort, making it harder for Russia to follow through on any plans to seize control of Ukraine’s Black Sea coast and the southern port of Odessa, defense officials said. Losing Kherson would also endanger Russian troops who have been fighting in nearby Mykolayiv, the Pentagon official said.
I expected them to lose cities in their rear as they moved to siege other cities. I didn't expect them to start to lose control of major areas so quickly.

Ukraine is reporting that they are pushing back some of the salients near Kiev too.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
Dilbert_X
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Russian troops ‘drive tank over commander’ amid anger at high casualties
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl … 44411.html

There is nothing good here, this is just bad for everyone involved.

All of this thanks to one maniac disconnected from reality.


Merkel in 2015 wrote:

Germany's Merkel: Vladimir Putin is living 'in another world'
https://theweek.com/speedreads/457115/g … ther-world

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMjy2HMXMAICnFJ.jpg

Would Hitler have nuked the world as his last act? Serious question.
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uziq
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Dilbert_X wrote:

I do feel sorrow for the Russian people over this, the vast majority of the soldiers who had no choice in this. They're going to have to live with this on their conscience never mind the conscripted kids who have died or lost their toes to frostbite.
highly recommend reading about the experience of russian soldiers in afghanistan. far worse and they were totally forgotten when they got home. essentially their vietnam.
SuperJail Warden
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Biden saying Putin cannot remain in power isn't a game changing fumble like people who oppose Biden are saying. The Russians already believe that we are trying to overthrow their government.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
unnamednewbie13
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The people who oppose Biden would have objected to him saying nothing, or being less decisive in his language.
SuperJail Warden
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I think Biden is mostly handling the situation right.

Another criticism I have seen is "why did Biden give away intelligence that the Russians were going to attack?" The U.S. government for weeks argued that Russia was about to invade and they were mocked for it. Then Russia invaded and caught the naysayers off guard. The U.S. was right to keep warning about the invasion since it lended credibility to our actions once it happened.

"What about our sources that warned us of the attack? Biden outted them by announcing we knew about the attack." Not likely we needed inside sources to recognize an invasion is about to take place. We know how invasions are organized. Once the Russians started painting Z's and V's on their tanks and trucks it really should have alerted everyone that an attack was imminent since you don't need to secretly paint your vehicles for a bluff.

I have said this before but a lot of the "Russia is a nuclear power!" stuff coming from the right wing is definitely bad faith. Conservatives still look at Russia as a conservative inspiration and, for now, they can't advocate for Russia. So they bring up the nuclear weapons to try to constrain our actions against the near fascist regime in Moscow. When have pig people ever advocated careful diplomacy?
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
SuperJail Warden
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They poisoned Abramovich. Hmm, good show.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
Dilbert_X
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Western statesmanship has been hopeless throughout, Putin should have been deterred and or massaged into understanding there was no reason to attack Ukraine.

Biden announcing the west would nothing for Ukraine but maybe defend NATO was foolish, and I bet he'd backpedal if it ever came to it.
Is the US going to see the east coast turned into glowing charcoal over part of Latvia? Probably not.
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unnamednewbie13
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Shadow of Chernobyl, saga continues:

Russian soldiers kick up radioactive dust in Chernobyl
Posted March 28, 2022

03/29 Russian troops made a 'suicidal' drive through the highly radioactive 'Red Forest' when they seized the site of the former Chernobyl nuclear plant. That's according to workers on duty there, who also told Reuters some of the soldiers had never heard of the 1986 nuclear disaster.

video: https://mobile.reuters.com/video/watch/idRCV00AW7F

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/un … 022-03-28/
Cybargs
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y is russia so bad at war
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Dilbert_X
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Well they've always been hopeless, terrible KDR but with enough people it doesn't matter.

There are some wrinkles such as they've barely used air power and what they've used has been dumb, using precision weapons to hit hospitals etc, only a small fraction of their air power committed - maybe they can't afford to build replacements or have weakness significantly exposed as they have been with their tanks.
They have used lots of artillery, also in a dumb way - to flatten residential areas.

There seems to be no intelligence, aerial surveillance must be hopeless if seven generals can be wiped out.
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uziq
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how exactly do you even use traditional artillery 'intelligently' in a situation of insurgency warfare? surely outside of the donbass/south, there's no ukrainian troop fronts or echelons to even speak of.

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