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what’s the need for a prototype bio-weapon, other than to tickle the fervid imagination of comic book-movie-addicted manlets?

we don’t need a new superweapon. china doesn’t need to become a big purple man from space. china and russia already have enough nukes, tactical or otherwise, to vanquish their foes. they already have biological weapons in the deep freeze. why this desire for novelty? we realised how to make infinitely potent nerve agents 50 years ago.

uziq wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

uziq wrote:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/03/04/anti-aircraft-missiles-germany-offered-ukraine-dont-work/

Anti-aircraft missiles Germany offered Ukraine don't work: Soviet-era missiles were declared obsolete in 2014 and have become corroded in storage.

amazing. scholz got a standing ovation in the german parliament for this ‘momentous’ pivot.

so thus far a bunch of european states have made a big song and dance about arming ukrainians, sending fighter jets, etc, announcing to putin that they’re intending to fight a proxy war … and the plane offer immediately came to nothing, and germany are clearing out their warehouses of junk.

but how about those ‘optics’ hey boys?

Why do you care? Don't you want Russians to stop getting hurt?

i’m talking about it in relation to all this gloating over the EU’s immense efforts to block ‘entities’ whilst doing nothing substantial. there’s too much talk over this image of ‘UK, where are you?’. erm, the UK actually trained the ukrainian military. the UK actually has sent significant amounts of cutting-edge armaments.

the EU’s administrative ability to shut down ‘entities’ must be great succour to the besieged freedom fighters of kyiv. don’t worry boys! brussels just kicked 4 suppliers of beet and pierogi out of poland!

The sanctions are unprecedented and russian stock markets have been closed to postpone the meltdown. The EU has also arranged for the financing of arms deliveries.

As for the uk being so involved; as previously stated they were architects of the budapest memorandum. While I consider the aid to ukraine more than justified now, there were many reasons not to be drawn into the conflict pre february. I still consider it madness the proxy war is now fought openly.

What do you think is gonna happen to places like germany, austria, poland if people can no longer heat their houses and we're also out of electricity?

Just a moment earlier you were rightly complaining about left virtues activism that's spurring people to ridiculously cut ties with any and all things that have even a tangential relationship to russia or russian culture/history. Now you're mocking the sanctions because there's still deliveries of gas through the pipeline network?

There's a real chance that a few years from now people will look back at the unfolding of this crisis as a moment in which many terrible and ill-considered decisions were made. I'm willing to wager 'immediately cutting gas-supply mid winter' is not going to be in the should've/could've list.

what do you think sanctioning the russian people is going to do, honestly?

this is part of the liberal worldview toolkit 101 which has badly failed our foreign policy in the last decade. the ‘people like nice things. especially our nice things’ line. it was this sort of ‘they’ll get used to luxury goods and won’t tolerate authoritarianism anymore’ line that turned into a sour farce in the west’s relationship with china. increasing wealth and a billionaire/millionaire elite don’t necessarily mean you have a coup-ready society. china is more behind its strongman leader than ever.

dilbert even gets half the picture, in his haphazard way. ‘if the russians want to go back to living in the 1950s …’. uhm, precisely? the russian people tolerated and lived with a system that was patently corrupt, a failing economy, and a terrible standard of living … for almost a century without a revolution. lmao. 

there were rich elites and concerned liberals in russia in the bolshevik era too, you know. the white russians all moved to paris or were suppressed. the mass of the russian people rode out the official shittiness of sovietism for 70 years. it’s practically in the russian character to ignore official politics and forebear shitty treatment. it’s the norm. 

but okay. there’s going to be a revolution! we just have to continue torpedo’ing their economy and closing our eyes to the blowback and collateral in the western half of the system! no matter that recent polls actually show a large rump of support for putin’s actions.

Last edited by uziq (2022-03-05 04:52:07)

russia is going to do exactly what putin wants in ukraine. the best we can hope for is to bleed it out in an afghan-style debacle. meaning the ukrainian people become the wet mop of europe’s/the west’s mess. we are going to have to watch cities reduced to rubble and millions of people die until the russian economy starts making the groaning noises necessary.

but it’s still early spring in europe! we can’t turn the gas off just yet! just continue being shelled until may, okay kyiv? then the germans will be right there with their beach towels. just watch out for your sunloungers and poolside seating. the germans are a notorious people in the summer.

sure, but the emotive response of people like ursula ‘fake PhD’ at the EU isn’t delivering much. sanctioning 300 entities indeed. whilst being utterly dependent on russian imports. but the stock market!!!

Turn the thermostat down, get used to being a bit colder, use less electricity, this would help until alternative supplies can come online.

They can hold out longer than you think, artillery can only penetrate so far. The crucial part will be supply lines.

Larssen wrote:

They can hold out longer than you think, artillery can only penetrate so far. The crucial part will be supply lines.

okay. grozny v2.0 it is then. rubber stamped by the german eurocrats in their warm apartments.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Turn the thermostat down, get used to being a bit colder, use less electricity, this would help until alternative supplies can come online.

2 weeks to flatten the heat curve

Putin has raised the issues of sanctions twice now, must be nervy.

China’s Foreign Minister Wang Yi said the “evolution” of the situation in Ukraine is “something China does not want to see,” in a phone call with US Secretary of State Antony Blinken, according to a statement from the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs Saturday.

Wang said the Ukraine crisis should be solved through "dialogue and negotiation" and called on the United States, NATO, and the European Union to engage in “equal dialogue” with Russia. He said they should “pay attention to the negative impact of NATO's continuous eastward expansion on Russia's security.”

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-new … index.html
Thanks China.

Interesting article about connections between British PM and Lebedev - now Lord Lebedev of Hampton and Siberia
This is treason
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bori … -3dp6sw29x

Lawyers are just doing their jerb though, the govt needs to fix the law.

Cap damages at five pounds, make a 'so what' defence legally valid for example.