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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

I've listened to maybe about 30 minutes of it in the background since this all started, literal youtube channel surfing while I'm doing other tasks. I don't maintain any illusions that he's an expert, and neither does he. I do appreciate that the theme is countering and puzzling out misinformation, and the "stop and think for a moment" kind of fare. Something that mainstream press often seem to lose sight of, and why I linked it as a bizarre curiosity.

That said, it's definitely not my go-to source.

Very funny to me that Mac is all like "wow haha," meanwhile reposting snuff, garbage opinions, and a million, dull, public freakout videos from reddit.

Hmm. This is how you like it?

Did Russia intentionally attack a holocaust memorial today? You'd think Dilbert would be on their side after that.

uziq wrote:

we are turning the screw on their economy in a way that we haven't done even with iran/north korea/venezuela. it is unprecedented. they are small, isolated countries and international pariahs (with some exception for venezuela). russia has been a huge part of the global order, its fossil fuel-economy, and now has 140,000,000 people facing very real deprivation.

for some reason dilbert is obsessed with UK oligarchs, who are an influential bunch, to be sure, whilst ignoring that the central bank measures we are opting for are the 'nuclear' option in terms of economic warfare.

Putting pressure on a few tens or hundreds of oligarchs is far more likely to have an impact than deleting the savings and ending the dreams of 144 million Russians though.
The oligarchs I'm sure control the vast bulk of Russia's - embarrassingly small actually, barely bigger than Australia's don't Russians work? - GDP
https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-by-country/

They have immense leverage and power, and the only thing more motivated than a cat which can smell fish is a jew separated from someone else's money.
Seize a few more yachts and lock up some bank accounts and never mind a horse's head Putin could wake up next to his own head with his dick stuffed in his mouth. Everyone has to sleep, even Putin.

BERLIN, March 2 (Reuters) - German authorities have seized a nearly $600 million luxury yacht owned by Russian billionaire Alisher Usmanov who has faced European Union sanctions over Russia's invasion of Ukraine
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ge … 022-03-02/

This guy looks like he could tear Putin's balls off with one hand, and Putin has lost his black belt - he's defenceless.

Really the only path is to ensure Putin's inner circle removes him, we can maybe deliver that by applying pressure in the right places - and from what I can see that adds up to the generals, the oligarchs and the Russian people. The oligarchs and the people we can touch, the generals barely although a war crimes investigation might help.

Progress in Ukraine is mysteriously slow, apart from a few crack divisions who are being expended its snail-like. This isn't how the Russian military normally gets things done.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Progress in Ukraine is mysteriously slow, apart from a few crack divisions who are being expended its snail-like. This isn't how the Russian military normally gets things done.

How do they usually get things done? I've read it mentioned that they also don't take care of their trucks as well as they should, which would help explain why you see so many of them roadbound and subject to delays and blockages, as well as some of the reports I've read of blowout issues if those are as severe as suggested.

Fighting in areas of dense areas of structure and plentiful tree cover also has its own set of challenges as opposed to typical open ground that characterizes much of the war porn we've seen in the past 20 years.

Er, I think some 20% of Ukraine represents as forest, compared to some odd 2% in Afghanistan. Despite deforestation concerns, the place isn't barren of trees, and photos abound with them even in developed areas.

Meanwhile, like 50% in my own state:



I'm pretty sure there's Ewoks somewhere in there.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Er, I think some 20% of Ukraine represents as forest, compared to some odd 2% in Afghanistan. Despite deforestation concerns, the place isn't barren of trees, and photos abound with them even in developed areas.

Meanwhile, like 50% in my own state:



I'm pretty sure there's Ewoks somewhere in there.

erm, yes, but hitler, stalin, and now putin (plus centuries of conquests beforehand by, e.g. the poles) didn't all see ukraine as desirable lebensraum because it was full of impassable, knotty forests, newbie. it's practically a giant open-air factory.

'photos abound with [trees] even in developed areas'. yes, kyiv is quite leafy. i'm not sure green spaces and tree planting in cities is really a great way to characterize terrain from a military POV. the challenge to the russian military from ukraine's terrain so far has evidently come from its vast tracts of muddy steppes and plains, not from forests ffs.

i've seen it commented on multiple times that ukraine poses problems for air control, for getting troops around by helicopter, etc, because it is so flat and featureless.

i'm amazed that eastern europe has more vegetation than afghanistan, though. great comparison.

makes you wonder why ukraine doesn't have green on its flag in recognition of its famous gigantic forests.

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sure, there's tree cover and embankments on roadsides and so on, like pretty much any highway in europe that verges onto farmland. but it's not like the ukrainians are waging a guerilla struggle from within deep woodland concealment.

But yeah, good job finding a picture of a field.

it's literally what their national flag alludes to, you moron, i.e. that which is considered to be 'echt' ukrainian, that which typifies the country.

The flag of Ukraine was adopted in 1918, and is interpreted as the blue sky (symbolizing peace) above the wheat fields (symbolizing prosperity).

the price of wheat has shot up 40% since the start of the crisis. ukraine literally provides half of europe with its wheat.

it has commonly been referred to as 'europe's breadbasket' for centuries.

now you're out here making out it's a land full of difficult wooded terrain. "there's even trees in their cities, look at the pictures!" lol. i assure you the russian forces are not having to contend with any problematic forests on their slow and inexorable march on kyiv or kharkiv.

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trees are present in every european capital you dipshit. is it a material fact to urban warfare? i'm sure they're going to be worried about all those freedom fighters hiding between linden trees in the streets.

use your expert google maps knowledge to look at berlin. plenty of trees and urban woodland. do you think 'forest warfare' was a major component of capturing berlin in ww2?

from a terrain POV the much bigger problems for an army advancing by land to kyiv, or across the southern regions, are precisely low-lying flatland. water. bogs. mud. kyiv is basically surrounded by the largest marshland in europe. marshes. very distinctly not woodlands.

there's been no coordinated efforts by the ukrainians, any preparations made, etc, to make use of wooded concealment. i honestly don't know why you're prattling on about this. "there's 20% trees in the country! that's more than afghanistan!" ukraine's central, eastern and southern terrains don't reflect this impression you're trying to paint at all.

all of the fighting will be urban warfare. ambushes and guerilla tactics. that's a given. the cities will be besieged and choked off. i don't know why you're being so stubborn about 'forests'.

i am the least medicated person on this forum thesedays, lol, i don't know why the drugs thing is meant to bite. aren't you autistic? isn't macbeth depressed? isn't larssen whacked out on anti-psychotics? isn't dilbert hopelessly addicted to viagra and hairloss pills?

That wasn't my argument

so your argument is ... patches of bosky woodland in kyiv are going to complicate fighting? are you kidding? russia's forces are going to encircle the cities and use their artillery and air superiority. i don't think any ukrainian resistance is going to come from infantry taking shelter in woods.

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uziq wrote:

i am the least medicated person on this forum thesedays, lol, i don't know why the drugs thing is meant to bite. aren't you autistic? isn't macbeth depressed? isn't larssen whacked out on anti-psychotics? isn't dilbert hopelessly addicted to viagra and hairloss pills?

That wasn't my argument

so your argument is ... patches of bosky woodland in kyiv are going to complicate fighting? are you kidding? russia's forces are going to encircle the cities and use their artillery and air superiority. i don't think any ukrainian resistance is going to come from infantry taking shelter in woods.

Stop bullying me