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There's almost a hundred thousand deployed on both sides. We're barely seeing anything, and our internet is scrubbed of russian pov's/their infosec is better.

Rockets are already hitting apartments I guess. https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-60536614

You probably mean like scorched earth though, right?

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Rockets are already hitting apartments I guess. https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-60536614

You probably mean like scorched earth though, right?

I mean reducing a 20 storey apartment block to knee high rubble.

They have the weapons there, I'd like to think the Russian military is holding off using them.
A Russian military revolt would be great at this point.

amazing. you cite an article that quotes the humanities-history consensus about minorities oppression. and which cites a frankfurt school psychologist. lmao. never complain about historians or ‘cultural marxists’ again please. who do you think is writing these pithy bits of newspaper commentary?

Pomerantsev attended Westminster School in London and the European School in Munich.[8] He studied English Literature and German at the University of Edinburgh.

LOL. and here you were all of two pages ago, wrongly sniggering at the uk defence secretary, a sandhurst-trained army officer, and being sniffy about the benefits conferred by historians ‘like him’. 

Vladimir Georgiyevich Sorokin (Russian: Влади́мир Гео́ргиевич Соро́кин; born 7 August 1955) is a contemporary postmodern Russian writer and dramatist, one of the most popular in modern Russian literature.

just incredible. dilbert now ‘understands putin’ because he’s reading a russian writer and dramatist.

so much for the humanities …

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I can't really imagine the Russian Generals are really gung-ho for this.
Some of them will either be Ukrainian or have Ukrainian relatives.

It would be interesting to know if they are pushing back at all.

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Not so long ago Israel was dropping bunker busters on Lebanese apartment blocks in the hope they might hit a Hezbollah guy in the basement, or 500lb bombs in residential areas in the hope of hitting an ageing Palestinian cleric.

This is the first time in a long time white europeans have been hit, the issue is we haven't cared much about anyone else.

uziq wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

I mean reducing a 20 storey apartment block to knee high rubble.

They have the weapons there, I'd like to think the Russian military is holding off using them.
A Russian military revolt would be great at this point.

It really is something isn't it, invading your neighbor and then proclaiming that you have all this devastating weaponry but are too nice to use it. Aren't we the best?

i mean, western nations and the USA’s normal modus operandi is to airstrike goat farmers and second-cousins’ weddings for weeks before putting any feet on the ground.

it really strikes me as odd how much the western media have focussed on one missile hitting an apartment block. where do you think all the US’a bombs have been going for the last 20 years? how many civilians have been killed by extra-legal drones and then deftly classified as ‘combatants’ after the fact?

funding murderousness in yemen or supporting israel isn’t exactly noble, either.

this war is going to get a whole lot nastier, but i am perplexed by this western myopia. it seems like the russians at present have disrupted civilian life as little as possible. it’s going to get much worse if they besiege major cities.

Fully conscious of that. Never to claim that the US shouldn't screw off with our belligerent foreign policies and tendency towards war. Bush's folly was also America's folly. And what a horrible punctuation to Afghanistan to drone strike a family car, scrambling to cover our ass before finally admitting error. Made sure we left our mark, didn't we.

As a whataboutism, that, and the "restraint" Russia is showing, I don't think justifies (as some present it) them being there.

I read one article on the missile hitting the apartment. Wasn't aware western media was super focused on it. I've been tuning out of a lot of that due to some of the non-objectivity and bad information. "Putin has piggy eyes and stubby fingers," wow good take.

Russia convinced themselves they would be liberating the people and would be welcomed with open arms just like the, er, Americans did in Iraq.
I'm sure they expected no resistance.

the point is they cite very conventional left-liberal positions in their critiques. the first article quotes approvingly kenyans at the UN likening this to their own post-colonial struggles. how many times again have you rubbished that line of historical thinking? “they’ve been free for 75 years, herp derp …”.

turns out a little historical understanding can lend a very good framework, eh?

and psychoanalysis, especially fromm and the frankfurt school, belong resolutely in literature departments. it’s literature and the humanities that have carried their entire legacy. do you think clinical psychologists are told to read marxist freudians from the 1940s?

OK, so we don't know why they aren't going full tilt with heavy weapons and are still sending 18 year olds in SUVs to blunder into the Ukrainian positions.

Maybe they reason that if the Ukrainians kill enough kids world opinion will turn against them. Its hard to unpick this behaviour and deduce what they're thinking.

i’m equally nonplussed.

best suggestion i’ve seen is that they’re using their fodder first in order to encircle the major cities and get set-up for the long haul. combined with saboteurs and people sowing terror/confusion among the population.

idea being the ukrainian morale will collapse in time as the siege mentality kicks in. food is already beginning to run out in the supermarkets in kyiv. with russians encircling the city a massive humanitarian crisis looms. the opening jubilation of shooting 1970s APCs full of clueless 17 year olds who were prodded over a border without their mobile phones will wear off real quick. at that point, it’ll be possible to smash them with the actual hardened units and current-gen tech, when they’re drained of resources and fatigued and disorganised.

i’ve read a lot that russia basically can’t even afford to lose their genuinely nice things. we’ve seen hardly anything of their helicopter gunships, main battle tanks, etc. i’d imagine that stuff could sow terror in a besieged population real quick.

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