BF2S Forums Where are all the whiny peaceful "Enlightened" European now?

lol 'if russia didn't have nukes'. so, in other words, if the 20th century didn't happen. pretty big 'IF'.

Last edited by uziq (2022-02-26 11:38:32)

SuperJail Warden wrote:

We should create a buffer zone in west Ukraine to protect NATO's border.

NATO and EU states are already directly on Russia's border, and we're already rubbing elbows in the Arctic.

Even a Trumper I know has completely flopped to the Ukraine's side on things. All it took was this invasion.

People are less interested in taking refugees than in being spectators to valiant stands.

NATO will not and should not fight over a non-NATO country. You can't buy insurance after an accident.

i am really confused by the way it’s all playing out. 

amazing fight back by the ukrainians? well … yes. but where’s the invasion? russia seem to have only sent in a bunch of poorly supported 19yo conscripts in their soviet-era rubbish tech.

the vast majority of their numbers are still on the borders. 100s of helis lined up on belarusian roads. why are they hanging back so much if a quick and decisive regime change was the aim?

seeing lots of news about putin requesting more cannon fodder from kazakhstan, sending in mercenaries from chechnya, etc. why? russia have battle-hardened units from syria/the sahel/etc. where’s all the elite paratroopers or at least cutting-edge tech? why are there only shitty old trucks and 1970s BMPs being found burnt out in cities?

why are there armoured columns running out of fuel or aimlessly being ambushed on ukrainian roads? not 100km from the border and their supply lines? it’s not like they’re over-extended. fuel shouldn’t be more than 2 hrs away. you’re telling me that these forces were drilling in the region for weeks prior to this but suddenly forgot how to put petrol in a tank?

lots of videos floating around of captured russian POWs. not only are they young, mostly kids on their obligatory military service, but many of them claim they had no idea they were being tasked with an invasion of ukraine. it sounds like they were all out on exercises playing around until suddenly, one day they weren’t. hard to verify and believe any videos put out for propagandistic purposes, etc, etc, i know. captured troops not the best witnesses. but still.

there’s lots of talk of ‘the ukrainians winning’ but it still seems totally wishful to me. like this conflict is currently at 5% volume. russia could flatten their cities if they actually wished. they have overwhelming supremacy in terms of materiel. where is ‘the invasion’? by now i’d assume that they’d have gone for the critical infrastructure, knocked out the power grid, scrambled communications, etc, and steamrolled it.

it’s all very odd. not at all what you’d expect from one of the world’s largest militaries.

Last edited by uziq (2022-02-27 00:03:46)

Also, the Ukraine foreign minister put out a call for foreign fighters a few hours ago. Prospects need to contact their local embassies for information.

I saw a headline in the Atlantic about how the U.S. needs to build an insurgency in Ukraine. Ukraine is going to turn into Syria with foreign fighters from all over. Well supported foreign fighters.

Crazy

that’s what i mean. i do understand how they underprepared initially. how the swift taking of the airports etc failed. i get that part. but russia still have a huge military buildup that they’re not using.

kyiv could be another grozny. russia didn’t fuck around in chechnya. why the soft touch here? obviously i don’t want to see that — just confused about how such an ‘invasion’ is playing out.

as for fuel lines and armoured supply, yada yada. but what armed force in the world just sends tanks or BMPs out, unaccompanied and totally unsupported? shouldn’t these things be deploying alongside air and infantry to stop them getting ambushed so easily? why are there so many videos of like, lone tanks or convoys of 3-4 trucks being wiped out? don’t militaries precisely know how to field these units? i thought russians were fearsome experts in big-scale armour warfare.

Last edited by uziq (2022-02-27 01:15:00)

britain delivered a defeat? lol what.

well russia is finished as a power if this continues in a slow-trickle ignominious defeat anyway, aren’t they? anything short of the nuclear option is not going to carry the cold war-era fear that it once did. we’ve now seen them deploy their forces unilaterally on an innocent nation and have seen them be repelled. the damage to the putin regime, coupled with the rest of the world’s resolve, are going to be fatal.

the failure and quagmire in afghanistan was a huge contributing event to the loss of morale and economic decline of the USSR.

Last edited by uziq (2022-02-27 01:22:18)

i’m well-aware of our supplying and training efforts. still seems a bit much to say ‘britain have carried this’.

also isn’t the javelin system, erm, american? lots of other arms are flooding into ukraine from other european states now germany have finally got off their FDR-era fence.

seems really a bit much to claim it’s the gallant brits carrying the conflict.

Fuck yeah