BF2S Forums Pandemic thread

vaping so much weird shit is undoubtedly bad for you.

seeing as you are still here regurgitating the most inane vaccine skepticism, about some 'potentially unknown consequence' we still haven't found out about, after hundreds of millions of doses and tens of thousands of clinical studies, i would say you're dangerously close to that convenient "other people are dumb" group.

Those polls were after NSW and Vic utterly failed to do anything.

and ah, yes, the 'it worked perfectly fine here in australia except for in our two most populous states and in our main cities' line. strange definition of perfect you have.

oh yes, by 'here' you mean a state of 1.6 million, with 7% of the population. come to think of it, the covid levels were consistently non-existent in my mother's west country village of 3,000 too. i guess the pandemic reponse mostly worked 'perfectly in the UK, if only it wasn't for london, the midlands, the north, and every densely populated conurbation fucking things up with their stupidity'.

Last edited by uziq (2021-12-30 01:27:06)

america has been a world-leading disaster during this whole thing. it's hilarious to me that you want to deny the vast majority of humanity the ability to make their own vaccine in case of potential mishap or incompetence. YOU are the incompetent ones.

France reported an almost sevenfold double increase from its previous highest covid peak. 200.000 cases in a single day.

I really do hope omicron is mild enough that it won't make a difference. At this rate though, who knows where the peak daily will be. 300k, 400k?

Last edited by Larssen (2021-12-30 04:39:08)

Larssen wrote:

France reported an almost sevenfold double increase from its previous highest covid peak. 200.000 cases in a single day.

I really do hope omicron is mild enough that it won't make a difference. At this rate though, who knows where the peak daily will be. 300k, 400k?

anecdotally, the rate of new infections has been slowing in the UK in the last week, with basically uncontained community transmission.

suppose it depends on factors like how many french people have high immunity due to mRNA vaccines/boosters, and/or how many have already contracted covid recently.

i am pretty confident that new cases have been totally decoupled from serious illness/death, pretty conclusively by the vaccines (as short lasting and inefficient as they are). even the much more severe delta variant only posed a serious threat to the unvaccinated or people badly in need of an update shot.

The Jersey City public schools will move to remote learning next week, joining most other Hudson County school districts in going the virtual route in light of the surge of COVID cases areawide.
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Deputy Superintendent of Schools Dr. Norma Fernandez confirmed the decision for state’s second-largest district, serving some 30,000 children.

Article posted right under it was about how Jersey City still planned to reopen.

30,000 kids is tremendous. So many kids are going to drop out if this school lockdown persist. I don't know how one week will turn things around. Our governor is a lame duck and former Wall St. executive. I don't think he expects to get elected to higher office and will probably go back to Wall St. I can see him signing off on schools stretching out their lockdowns since "what can they do? Vote me out?".

For what it is worth, There are as many parents loudly supportive of the lockdown as there are against. Many parents in this area want their kids to be safe.

the figure was 18 on the day i posted, which is exactly what i said in my post. i didn't say the 'average was 18'. don't you normally keep going on and on about reading comprehension?

an average of 100 a day for the last 6 months, regardless of which wave or variant we are experiencing. wowsers! i guess ... vaccination ... actually ... works.

this time 12 months ago a steep rise in cases would have equalled a steep rise in deaths. amazing!

Maybe he secretly supports Scottish independence and only looks at England's numbers.

and, AGAIN ... way to miss the fucking point. 18 or 90 … society isn’t staying closed for an average of 100 deaths per day for 6 months.

whether we lock down, eat outdoors, cross our chests three times and say hail mary … the most significant measure society can take now is evidently WIDESPREAD VACCINATION. once you’ve done that, there are no further measures that can be taken to control the highly transmissible variants. the UK effectively decoupled new cases from serious illness/death at the point when it reached widespread, recent vaccination.

NO other measure has had a significant effect on the levels of serious illness or death. limiting groups to 4 people doesn't do it. 11pm curfews don't do it. travel bans and travel corridors and travel red lists don't do it. the key is VACCINATION, nothing else: it's as simple as that. this plus prudent social distancing behaviour is the best you can do to protect yourself.

why are you still hanging onto this illusion that we can control or suppress the pandemic is a more pertinent question? nitpick with data-reporting methodologies or anomalies with backlogs all you want. there is nothing we can do to retard the spread of omicron short of total, society-wide lockdowns and circuit breakers. NOTHING. let that fact ring around your head a few times. and why the hell would anyone advocate for another 3-week or 3-month lockdown when omicron is, according to your beloved DATA, basically harmless?

we are going into year 3 of the pandemic now. how many more years do you think teachers like macbeth are going to bewail the fact their children's education is being highly disrupted? how many more years do you think offices are going to sit empty and businesses all WFH? do you think anyone has the appetite to go back to that first lockdown, which is surely more necessary now than ever, according to case numbers, of talking to their relatives through their letterbox and only being allowed to leave the house once per day for 'food or essential exercise'? more importantly, WHAT is your exit strategy from this world of endless snap-lockdowns and draconian restrictions? COVID ISN'T GOING AWAY!

(i love, by the way, how much of a fuss you make over reported vs. misreported daily numbers, when you don't even conceptually understand the status of this pandemic. a few days ago you were dutifully telling us it is now endemic 'because it is in the wildlife population'. talk about not being able to see the wood for the trees: you literally don't understand the fucking basics of epidemiology and the difference between a pandemic and endemic disease. accepting that covid is going to one day become endemic and always be a feature of society is precisely the sort of attitude you ARGUE AGAINST!)

Last edited by uziq (2021-12-31 00:44:39)

uziq wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Why are you using garbage data to make an argument?

why are you incapable of reading the same website as i am? this information is right there in the header of the official government website.

NOTICE 30 DECEMBER: Deaths by publish date for England include backlog
Today’s death figures include a backlog of hospital deaths reported overnight by NHS England covering the period 24th⁠–⁠29th December.

then you pop up and tell us 'no you're wrong, today 300+ people died of covid'.

it was reported as 18 on the day i wrote, as i said. they then posted an addendum on 30 december, AFTER my post, saying that they had updated it with a week-long backlog.

either way, average deaths are FALLING, week-on-week, compared to this time last month. you can see it from your own image, you fucking dipshit. so i guess it really is the end of the world when you let the cases soar over winter, huh?

Right so you didn't know that daily death figures aren't reported instantly and it takes a few days for the numbers to come through?

I thought you were the epidemiology expert, oh well.

Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Why are you using garbage data to make an argument?

why are you incapable of reading the same website as i am? this information is right there in the header of the official government website.

NOTICE 30 DECEMBER: Deaths by publish date for England include backlog
Today’s death figures include a backlog of hospital deaths reported overnight by NHS England covering the period 24th⁠–⁠29th December.

then you pop up and tell us 'no you're wrong, today 300+ people died of covid'.

it was reported as 18 on the day i wrote, as i said. they then posted an addendum on 30 december, AFTER my post, saying that they had updated it with a week-long backlog.

either way, average deaths are FALLING, week-on-week, compared to this time last month. you can see it from your own image, you fucking dipshit. so i guess it really is the end of the world when you let the cases soar over winter, huh?

Right so you didn't know that daily death figures aren't reported instantly and it takes a few days for the numbers to come through?

I thought you were the epidemiology expert, oh well.

actually it's very rare that the UK's figures suffer backlogs or data-reporting issues. now you're really arguing with nothing. too bad you couldn't read the giant site announcement in the header section of the fucking page you screengrabbed. would have saved you 3 posts of nitpicking with evidently no substantive point.

The government desperately needs to articulate what the end game of the pandemic is. Some kind of metric we can point to as a goal. Like I have said before, this feels like the War on Terror. Directionless and open ended.

Each new variant of COVID feels like the parade of AQ leaders we offed in the Middle East. "We killed the Delta variant. COVID appointed a new dangerous leader: Omicron".

Now if the Democrats were abusing the pandemic to spend (waste) government money rewarding their interest groups that would be pretty dope. I am in an Democrat interest group. But they really need to Build Back Better through and throw a few more bones.

Dilbert is like a generation older than us. I assume he is very worried about his much older parents. So keeping society as bubbled up as possible will keep them safer. I can where he is coming from by being angry at people who do/did incredibly unsafe things. Especially if they are not white. "Sacrifice your old parents so foreigners can have a good time chasing white women around Australia". I am pretty sympathetic to that point of view since I get a similar one when I see black kids running around wrecking stuff in the school. These are not our kids. The Indians coming and going from Australia aren't Dilbert's people either.

Now excuse me while I go write some more paragraphs about how woke Zombie movies are and why Hamilton solved racism.