BF2S Forums Being chopper pilot not rewarding enough....

haffeysucks wrote:

[1.8.7]TheHemphog wrote:

it was fun to fly those U.S choppers before they changed the machine guns accuracy on the choppers. I remember taking spawn ans getting atleast 10-20 driver ability points cuz people was whoring from the chopper machine guns, since they changed that, its fun to fly, but not as rewarded as it should be

ahem, that's the BlackHawk, not the Apache that the rest of us are talking about.

aww i should read the entire thread before replying then

i dont have any problems with killing armor or infintry with my missles. learn how they shoot.

if my gunner misses the armor with a tv, i go in after it.

T0rr3nt wrote:

i dont have any problems with killing armor or infintry with my missles. learn how they shoot.

if my gunner misses the armor with a tv, i go in after it.

I don't have problems killing tanks and choppers, but usually happens this:

I see tank. Shoot it with rockets and it's just about to explode then my gunner shoots TV missle and I'm like "Oh, I got 2 driver kills assists! That's nice! Now he got 4 points for sending tv missle after I did all the work! How nice!"

Hacial wrote:

I think myself that I'm good attack helicopter pilot. Then I take good co-pilot with me and HE gets lots of kills! HE uses the TV missle to destroy enemy choppers, and HE can get like 6 kills with just ONE missle! And HE can take tanks out with TV missle! And then when we go to kill infantry, if enemy has just one flag HE gets massive amount of kills! But then when I go to co-pilot the other guy (usually) doesn't fly well and I can't get kills b/c he doesn't know how to fly good so = chopper not steady = I can't hit anynody.

So if he like gets 40 points I get just half of it and I thinks it's somehow unfair because he couldn't get those kill without good pilot, he just needs to shoot...

Score does not mean shit as long as your team wins... thats the reward of being a good chopper pilot. To many poeple are "point whores" and dont worry about winning.

jjrp02 wrote:

....the attack chopper WAS designed to be a killing machine for the GUNNER, and the PILOT's job is just to keep the GUNNER alive

Spot on (+1) the Pilots job is to keep the chopper alive, the gunners job is to gun (clues in the name) I fly with my tourny mate (Jimmany) i always get a sucky KD but 100s of teampoints so a nice silver star.

I now have 3500 + driver assist points, TBH they arent difficult to come by, should i really have 7000? lmao i can earn 60+ driver points and hour so lets double that to 120 http://bf2s.com/player/48198537/history/DriverSpecial/ bear in mind, i dont fly every day

General rule we use is. Attack choppers, give the Gunner a Few easy TV's if he cant hit / wont use the tv, then move in and kill it urself or runaway lol.

Rule #2 when at a point gunners primary target is to MG the AA and the TOW then to take care of INFANTRY the pilot can easily deal with armour at close quarters. From further off, targets are ALWAYS the GUNNERS priority.

and the EBC tournament http://www.eu.battlefield-command.com/ takes players who are under 18 see http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=27156 for more information and cool footage from one of the latest battles.

Lastly http://files.filefront.com/C3_battle_3W … einfo.html is a 3 minute video showing the flying and gunning the Tiger HAP

I do not think that the driver should get 2 points, as he didnt actually kill the people, I think one is plenty, basically the more kills you get the gunner, the more points the driver gets. and IMO A full chopper crew working together over TS or similar is ALWAYS going to be more effective than a solo pilot. a solo pilot can get up to about 100 points a round? just from tv-ing an organised crew will get all of those tv kills, plus whatever he can get with the MG when you hover over a flag. (no not to cap, but to suppress)

TBH the pilot could hover at 200ft and just let the gunner tv everything. All the pilot has to do is to avoid the occasional jet and he is getting points for every kill the gunner is making

Last edited by Cheeky_Ninja06 (2006-06-05 01:22:06)

I don't know. Doesn't seem very fair how it is points wise. In a good gunner/pilot duo the gunner will ALWAYS get more points than the pilot even though the pilots job is alot harder and more stressful. Only thing that really bugs me, not very much though, is that chopper stats are all put into one. Piloting and gunning aren't even close to the same thing. The stats shoulda been done seperate. Oh well, I can't play this game right now anyways.

Look at it this way. Gunners get a lot of flack regarding missed shots. If I miss with a TV, sometimes my pilot goes apeshit at me. Not fun.
There have been numerous anti-gunner threads here with people either complaining that their gunner is a fuck-tard, or that they didn't get the gunner they wanted and that they killed them by flying to the edge of the map. It's a tough gig. Us gunners wish we could do the same when we get a pilot we don't want, after all, you have no control as a gunner.
Also, as a gunner and a schite pilot, it is quite difficult to get a pilot who allows me to... perform. When it does happen it is really great, and I do feel kind of guilty for getting a lot of kills when it is really my pilot who has the real skills.

I hope, you good attack chopper pilots, feel the appreciation.
I reckon their should be some incentive for pilots to let their gunners get kills... some kind of award or point system, but for the while, accept my unstemming respect and appreciation.


- Ty.

Last edited by Tyferra (2006-06-05 01:47:32)

137[CSi] wrote:

Cant really complain as you get points either way, 1 point for the driver ability assist and they count towards your driver ability points. In which you need about 5000 still last I checked for a certain medal.

It's the Medal of Valor that requires 5000 driver ability points (+1000 flags defended, 30k teamwork score). This is a reward you get for good chopper/bomber flying.

Last edited by fierce (2006-06-05 01:57:59)

Primacord, I think I played with you tonight on a 24/7 Iron Gator server. You killed me in the Hind a couple times. I blame my gunner.

In the past couple days, I aim the chopper at a chopper or whatever, and the gunner either stares at it or just fires his cannon at it. It's like, "good job slick, you were shooting your gun while he was laughing at us as his TV missile was flying towards us at mach 3 even though we had the drop on him." Actually, that's not completely true, I had one gunner today who was decent on that Iron Gator server, but I can't remember his name at all.

They should make a stat that keeps track of who you helped get the most kills.  "You got 23,493 driver kill assists with Player 1" or something. That would be neat.

Hacial wrote:

I think I should get more points than my gunner even though I get lucky and get gunners who actually know how to press the fire button and thus get me more kill assists but hey what can I say, I'm just lazy

EDITED for truth.

jjrp02 wrote:

If you have a good gunner and you can help him get about 30-40 kills, and get even 10-15 kills with your rockets, you end up with 50-70 points and your gunner will have around 70-90 or so....the attack chopper WAS designed to be a killing machine for the GUNNER, and the PILOT's job is just to keep the GUNNER alive

QUOTED for truth.

I know exactly what your sayin... this happens to me all the time too.

I dont generally have a problem getting a decent kdr as a pilot, if I have a terrible gunner im going to be the one racking up all the kills & if I have a good gunner he knows im going to line him up for a shot, he hits the tank I hit an apc or a clump of infantry while he re-arms. In my experience the best gunners are always at least good quality pilots, so usualy you can ask to go gunner & they will agree. If they complain about it & say they want the points, just remember they arent going to get them without you. A chopper pilot isnt a point raking job, but it is an important one for the team, not just your gunner relies on you, but a lot of the team as well. They rely on you to take that tank out before it reaches a friendly flag held only by infantry, to cover a squad as they go through hell to cap a flag & for armour people who need you to eliminate the opposing attack chopper so they are safe.

Bottom line: With Great Power comes great resposibility, not great points

Last edited by -=|BW|=-Hollow_Moon (2006-06-25 22:37:03)

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SOLO