vaccination could never stop you from becoming reinfected with an infectious disease, dilbert. the idea is that your body has sufficient immune resources to fight it off and stop it from becoming a serious illness. vaccines don't put a forcefield around all of your orifices or make yourself impermeable on a cellular level. the new strain seems to trigger a renewed immune response quicker than previous strains – which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
people are probably going to have an encounter with covid once every few years, like they do with a bout of cold or flu, for the rest of forever. the best you can do is take a vaccine and, yes, hope that you do catch a relatively mild strain that will prepare your immune system all the better for months/years ahead.
Here a former state premier is triple vaccinated but so sick with Delta he can't talk.
we have already established that delta is the worst version to get due to its vastly increased viral load. we aren't seeing that with omicron. we have already linked you, multiple times, large-scale data sets that show how many fully vaxxed people as a percentage grow seriously ill with delta variant, and you can see yourself that it is a tiny, tiny minority. but here you are once again, arguing from anecdote.
keep flights closed so when we notice a new variant its already been prevented from travelling.
but
there will always be new variants, everywhere on the planet, at all times.
so that de facto means your best strategy is 'keep flights closed forever'. what happens when a highly successful new variant springs up in a london or a tokyo or even a melbourne? international flights to africa surely won't be a problem then. major cities tend to involve the movement of peoples from a wide region.
how many times do people have to drill this into you? flights and international travel, with all precautions, began to resume when nation x, y, and z reached widespread vaccination. which is surely sensible. because variants are NEVER going away. the idea we can take a 'preventative' measures and essentially extinguish nasty new variants in the cradle is mostly a total fantasy. that's not what serological analysis is for; it's there so we can get a good idea on where this thing is headed and to steer our own vaccine/public health efforts accordingly. but we are not in control of the virus's heading: that's Nature. nothing short of a smallpox-style total vaccine, of which we have devised about 4 in human history, is going to extinguish covid now.
you misunderstand how viruses work and the dynamics of this pandemic on about 3 different levels. it's really quite something.
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Also I notice a lack of triumphalism in you, now that exactly what I predicted - the most mutated version so far coming out of Africa and immediately infecting the world thanks to excess travel and lack of compartmentalism - has transpired.
i'm not catastrophizing about omicron. that's because 'the most mutations' doesn't == the most deadly, the most lethal, the most vaccine-resistant, the most threatening, etc. only you make that rudimentary mistake of thinking 'more mutations' is a 'worse' version of covid. i'm waiting for the data to confirm the actual nature of the problem, neither triumphalist nor defeatist. amazing when you actually your eye on the science and not the news headlines, isn't it?
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