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unnamednewbie13
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It may surprise you to learn that history books often cite previous writings and documents. Maybe you can write her a letter and dictate to a critically acclaimed history writer how a history book should be written.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Last Hope Island - Lynne Olson

Nice idea, I expect a bit better than "in his book Max Hasting said" TBH.
Its literally cobbled together from maybe 10 other books, some actual research would have been nice.
maybe stop buying books at the airport? it's really not hard to find well-researched or well-sourced nonfiction.
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I don't go to the airport, I wouldn't go there just to buy books.
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imagine looking at the wealth of books on ww2 and buying popular-history trash by hacks like lynne olson.

you’re a big boy, i imagine you can ride a bike without stabilisers and get the school bus all by yourself and so on, you do know that you don’t have to read history written by popularisers, right?

why not read richard evans on the war? you’ll find thousands of citations and an immaculate bibliography therein. but no, you prefer to buy books written for a simple mass audience and then to complain that they’re insufficiently recondite.

maybe the problem isn’t with the discipline of history … it’s you?
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I didn't buy that book, someone else did.
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unnamednewbie13
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As gateway writers are concerned, imo you can do worse than Olson. Popular history at least has its place in familiarizing casual/lay readers with their ass from their elbow.

What gets me is that, dilbert, you're critical of history books that are too dry in presentation, yet respond with a resounding meh when presented with practically a bathroom reader.

Maybe there are only 10-30 books that fit your narrow criteria for any given subject.
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And there was me thinking you'd be pleased I've now read 33 books.
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uziq
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

As gateway writers are concerned, imo you can do worse than Olson. Popular history at least has its place in familiarizing casual/lay readers with their ass from their elbow.

What gets me is that, dilbert, you're critical of history books that are too dry in presentation, yet respond with a resounding meh when presented with practically a bathroom reader.

Maybe there are only 10-30 books that fit your narrow criteria for any given subject.
dilbert likes to stew in his own presumptions and superiority.

he could read engaging, well-researched, relevant history ... but that would take effort on his part. perhaps it would even challenge him or take 'work'. that would be most inconvenient because dilbert is sure that historians are mere scribblers 'of what has already happened' and thus 'don't really have real jobs'.

it's easier to sneer at the history-for-dummies stuff and remain assured in his own self-superiority, you see. scoff scoff! this only cites 10 books! indeed, says the guy who has read the same amount as your average fourth-grader in his entire life.
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amazing thread on the centenary of raymond williams.

immense thinker.

To be truly radical is to make hope possible rather than despair convincing.
Dilbert_X
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uziq wrote:

says the guy who has read the same amount as your average fourth-grader in his entire life.
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https://www.goalcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/socrates-quote-change-opinion-persist-in-wrong-one.jpg

a few more thoughts for you. good luck on the 42nd book.
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Thanks!
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Plot was a bit thin
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