BF2S Forums Should macros be considered cheating?

joker3327 wrote:

sgt_mango333 wrote:

MuseSeeker wrote:

Im NOT taking sides but can anyone just clarify this, macro are made or used with a program but the ROE says

"...or cheats for the purposes of giving yourself an unfair advantage over other players.

This would include but not limited to:

    * § MS/X and other 3rd party software. <<<<
    * § Modification of weapons code, aka Tank turrets exploit.
    * § CVAR hacks which would make players appear Neon
    * § CVAR hacks that let players see thru walls or buildings
    * § Mini-Map hack so all players are visible
    * § Modification of Player Names which would alter their size or colors.
    * § Items not included in this list would be up to EA & DICE to interpret."

So would you say the guy with a macro to spam the fire button (to avaoid RSI?) has an unfair advantage over the guys manually firing all not long?

If EA though using a Macro was cheating surely they would have mentioned it?

How do you figure that???  Has EA thought of how to fix the redtag bug or any of the other plethora of existing issues with the game? 

Explain to me if you would please, how it can be considered normal game play to unload the DAO in under a second with the push of a single button utilizing the tools in game?  It's one thing to rebind a key or use a smoother mouse or faster responding keyboard.  It's completely another thing to use an external program to tie those bindings together to perform multiple functions in rapid succession.

Look guys, I'm not denying that the DAO can be rapid fired in near auto fashion.  I'm not denying the skill it takes to fire the TV missle from a helo while flying solo.  But using external programs to facilitate is just plain wrong, just like blowing yourself into/onto buildings, just like using Neon colors to mark enemies, just like using external programs to subvert normal code to show all enemies on the mini HUD...I think I've made my point.

I've only tried a macro once. It was a macro executed by one of the joystick buttons, saying "sorry for TK!" in the chat. Didn't work too well though, the macro was slow and I lost control over the chopper/jet while it was executing.

the question if a macro is a cheat, depends on the macrotype.
If you bind a key for spotting a plane from your jet, I do not consider that cheating, because it is just something EA should have issued a key for in the first place.

If you abuse a macro to gain an unfair advantage over somebody else I consider it cheating... For instance spamming the left mousebutton to key, so you get a rapid fire effect without the accuracy penalty.

Sgt Mango, setting up new accounts are we?  It seems a bit strange that when you set the poll up it was 80% in favour of macros but all of a sudden votes start coming in and the table turns without these people adding comments (it would probably be their first and it give the game away).

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Sgt Mango, setting up new accounts are we?  It seems a bit strange that when you set the poll up it was 80% in favour of macros but all of a sudden votes start coming in and the table turns without these people adding comments (it would probably be their first and it give the game away).

Yeah...I set up different accounts just to prove you wrong.  Get over yourself.  I told you this would be the trend and you didn't believe me.  I should have been more specific with the poll and because I wasn't the poll is so close.

I think it is pretty clear that the type of macro is the defining factor of over the line and cheating or legit binding.  You, sir, are clearly over the line.

Everyone feel free to prove that I'm not the only one with this viewpoint by posting negative Karma to EstebanRey...kinda hard for me to do that...even with seperate accounts.

i voted and never responded so here it goes

In my opinion it depends on the type of macro used spotting isn't an abuse of a macro, a pistol firing full auto practically, is a cheat. But i will give you this EA has never stated they are cheats so to this point they are not. Everyone will just have to play and kill to the best of their abilities whether they are computer enhanced or not.

I stand corrected EA says macros are a violation of the EULA

Last edited by rushanddie (2006-05-30 08:29:44)

ResDog1 wrote:

the question if a macro is a cheat, depends on the macrotype.
If you bind a key for spotting a plane from your jet, I do not consider that cheating, because it is just something EA should have issued a key for in the first place.

If you abuse a macro to gain an unfair advantage over somebody else I consider it cheating... For instance spamming the left mousebutton to key, so you get a rapid fire effect without the accuracy penalty.

I would agree with you.

I remember playing on a fighting game on a emulator. My cousin would play with me if he came and i set a marco when i make my guy unleash an endless combo until my cousin's health bar is destroyed .

rushanddie wrote:

http://www.ea.com/global/legal/tos.jsp

You will violate the Terms of Service if you (or others using your Account) do any of the following:

Use or distribute “auto” software programs, “macro” software programs or other “cheat utility” software program or applications. ·

Here is the official macro = cheat according to EA

That is the TOS for EA Online.  BF2's online play is governed by Gamespy, i.e your BF2 account is a gamespy account and not an EA Online account, ergo = that TOS is irrelevant....

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

rushanddie wrote:

http://www.ea.com/global/legal/tos.jsp

You will violate the Terms of Service if you (or others using your Account) do any of the following:

Use or distribute “auto” software programs, “macro” software programs or other “cheat utility” software program or applications. ·

Here is the official macro = cheat according to EA

That is the TOS for EA Online.  BF2's online play is governed by Gamespy, i.e your BF2 account is a gamespy account and not an EA Online account, ergo = that TOS is irrelevant....

Now your reaching...

iD wrote:

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

rushanddie wrote:

Here is the official macro = cheat according to EA

That is the TOS for EA Online.  BF2's online play is governed by Gamespy, i.e your BF2 account is a gamespy account and not an EA Online account, ergo = that TOS is irrelevant....

thats why it says:

EA ONLINE TERMS OF SERVICE
    EA Online (“EA Online” or “Service”), is composed of the Electronic Arts website, www.ea.com, and affiliated sites, and offers games, activities and services including POGO, EA SPORTS and EA GAMES products and services.

EA GAMES products... this is clearly an EA product

That pretty much sums it up then doesn't it.  Esteban is still arguing his point in the other thread, but I think this poll has done it's job.  Thanks to all the contributors.

I tried to create a macro to create a custom squad, but it is not possible currently in the game.  I was hoping there would be a command line that could do this.  Other than that I tried one to go prone, knife, and then crouch to get up.  I could never press the keys fast enough to make it fluid in motion.  I found that I can do things just as fast without macros and I never use them.

I use macros for my joystick for stuff better done with a keyboard , but that's it (think JoyToKey)

This reminds me of a long time complaint I have had. I played streetfighter since the first sf2 all the way till the last sf3. Many people would be satisfied with wins they go using cheese dick tactics, like using the short kicks and constant throws. Others, including myself chose to get wins doing flashy combos, and parries. The game allows you to do both, sure. One way leads to respect and the other way leads to dirty looks. Do you want to be known for being a bad ass player, or do you want to be known as someone who uses any tactics necessary to get a win? I know which way I choose.