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It's pretty vain to compare your earnings in general to others in an attempt to quantify your value as a human. I may not understand the simps who donate $10k to streamers, but I'm not in charge of everyone's finances.

I also can't feel ill-will towards a hot tub streamer if they can get well rewarded for doing it, though I have often wondered about long-term financial plans for streamers and shit who have families or even those who don't but aren't superstars.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

On assigning earnings to the value of a human:

One of my most hated questions in business comes in the interview or pre-interview lunches where a prospective employee gets asked "how much do you think you'll earn?" It's so dishonest. The interviewer is fishing around while putting the prospective on the spot. If they undervalue they're seen as unqualified or not to be respected. If they overvalue they're greedy or think too highly of themselves. It's pretty much like a "guess a number between 1 and 1000" game where you kick someone in the nuts if they don't make the correct choice within like 20% tolerance or something. You never know what the interviewer wants to hear, so have to make a guess based off of google research prior or have an insider track give you tips beforehand.

It's no wonder so much (besides being able to pay for things) hangs on wages in this culture.

DesertFox- wrote:

though I have often wondered about long-term financial plans for streamers and shit who have families or even those who don't but aren't superstars.

I wonder about the long-term financial plans of someone busing tables and washing dishes.

This is one reason why unions are so great. The union has an agreed upon starting rate for members. Also no 'why he is making $2 more an hour than me when all he does look is moderate bf2s all day?'

Unrelated to above,

A Florida high school is issuing refunds to families after editing yearbook photos of 80 female students so they'd appear more modest
https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-high … 46685.html



It's not even a good photoshop. Just a straight bar drawn across the girl's chest. I've seen better photoshops from Chinese shirt sellers on Amazon. Now her chest looks like a 1997 polygon. The sweater is a mess as well.

These look like they were directly photoshopped by school staff. Some sweaty vice principal slaving over photo manips of teenage girls' chests really is about as creepy as it sounds. Ew.

america’s attitudes are funny. you can’t show a nipple on television but gratuitous violence is okay. schoolchildren can’t wear a crop top but it’s okay to have armed guards in the halls or teachers with uzis.

i met three young soldiers last weekend who were enjoying their very first weekend off base on their very first deployment. they were 19 years old and excited to go clubbing and have some drinks. america deems it okay to send children to the other side of the world with a license to kill before it thinks it okay to serve them a bud light in a bar. incredible.

re: all the disingenuous talk above about sex workers and table waiters. yeah, no. a waiter’s long-term plans aren’t being damaged by their temporary work. a sex worker has HD footage of themselves being double-gaped by men with extensible penises, online forever. one type of work obviously carries a social stigma and can blur your prospects forever. a 50 year old ex-pornstar is going to raise more eyebrows when HR finds their, er, ‘employment history’ online. a fucking retail clerk doesn’t have these worries. don’t be so dumb. regardless of how enlightened and tolerant your attitudes, it will never not be weird in a workplace to have seen your co-worker get bukkake’d in a previous occupation.

i’ve dated a girl who made a lot of money as a cam-girl (we met elsewhere and i didn’t know when we first started dating). i’m talking 100k+ subscribers and everything paid for. i don’t judge sex workers. but this whole ‘it’s as legit as regular acting’ thing is just disingenuous nonsense. the whole industry revolves around damaged people, loneliness and desperation. don’t pretend giving $20 a month to a girl on onlyfans in exchange for one personalised interaction a week is the same as being a meryl streep fan. there is a whole other level of psycho-sexual and libidinal investment. you are NOT treating someone as a respectful, other human when you beat your meat over a stranger.

Last edited by uziq (2021-05-24 18:33:03)

i didn't berate the 3 soldiers at all. i gave them directions to a good club and wished them well. i'm not one of those terrible people who takes out my political opinions on innocent passers-by. 'america stinks kid and it's all your fault!'.

and, yes, even at the very top of the game, youtube and other streaming platforms are notoriously unreliable. you are completely beholden to a large corporation's whims. they can turn off the tap and income stream at the flick of a button or minor adjustment to the algorithm. it's not exactly a stable career with a union, pension, and employee's rights.

re: photoshop; dress code

If I skimmed the story right, there was a dress code for the photo shoot supposedly matching the school dress code. One of the things talked about is that dress code is problematic. That cut is conservative by today's standards and wouldn't look out of place in business or politics, and specifically targeting girls is shades of weird old wardrobe sexism. Knock that dress code back by a few more years and the picture on the right would've been scandalous.

re: youtube stars

Definitely unstable. Unless you make it. If you're one of those one in 10 million or whatever internet millionaires, I think you're going to be alright unless you suck with money.

re: america

I don't think anyone is left here who would be offended by someone being glad they were born into a European system rather than ours. Our social safety net is jokish.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

There was a girl in a bikini riding a giant inflatable unicorn in an inflatable pool while staring blankly at the chat for something to respond to.

Link or GTFO

you sound like you have a lot of anger and ire directed at these people. ultimately they're just in many ways at the forefront of contemporary tech-capitalism. anyone who agrees to be in a brand advert or a glossy fashion shoot for instagram is 'objectifying' themselves: it has always been thus.

not to say anyone should respect models or sex workers more than anyone else. there are a whole range of jobs i don't 'respect' per se. i don't think many cam-girls consider it a 'career', rather it's a way to pay off college loans or to lead the lifestyle they want whilst they have it. considering that women's lives are dictated by a biological clock, and their 'worth' is pinned to ephemeral beauty by society at large, who can blame them? i say fair play to them for turning it to profit.

what's more pathetic and sad in my opinion is all the men who support such a lifestyle. paying a woman because she streams games (often times badly), wearing a low-cropped top, is utterly abjectly pathetic.

You're going to get raped one way or another in pretty well any job, might as well get paid as much as possible while its happening.

Also two snuggle professionals referred to girls who go on tinder to fuck for free as "dumb fucking sluts"

Pretty tame compared with your average psychopathic CEO who is fine with selling poison or killing his workforce.

Or your average lawyer who will cheerfully rob you when you're most vulnerable.

Or your average doctor who will pump you full of drugs so he can get that golfing holiday.

A young girl dancing to a webcam and chatting is pretty tame really.

Larssen wrote:

I have no anger or ire towards them; I just don't see it as a morally or personally good choice. It's a choice motivated by an obsession with materialism and one that as you yourself say preys on desperation and loneliness. How is any of that respectable? I'm just being honest in admitting that my stance is judgmental.

No it's not at all comparable to regular professions.

didn't you work for a management consultancy? LMAO.

get off your moral high horse. 'not morally a good choice'. weren't you becoming one of those awful people whose profession it is to make worker bees redundant and to encourage mass layoffs?

a girl making a bit of pocket change on the weekends, especially during a pandemic lockdown, is not one of the world's great ills. the men who fester and support her lifestyle are bigger social threats, tbh. cam-girls don't commit mass shootings or board vans onto busy pedestrian sidewalks.

ok, you cleared it up and i understand what you mean now. i guess the 'morality' angle made it seem a little bit conservative/reactionary/prudish.

although as towards jobs having a social or community utility: good luck with that nowadays. the vast majority of people labour in warehouses or on zero-hours contracts at the behest of tax-avoiding corporate behemoths. the idea of a job with a social conscience is a luxury few can afford.