We've had this argument in the Before Larssen/Pre Jay-Endtimes period.Larssen wrote:
Dilbert arbitrarily discarding international law when it pleases you is a dumb idea
Thats great and all but if Jesus had instructed his disciples they had a god-given right to slaughter innocents and steal their stuff and then led them on a murderous rampage putting complete civilisations to the sword you'd have a point.uziq wrote:
also:WHAT actual teachings? we have already established that you haven't thought for a fucking hot minute about the bible, the christian canon, and the formation of christian 'thought'. you think 'catholics aren't christians' despite the fact the catholic church did most of the work of codifying just what we consider 'christian teachings'.actual teachings of christianity though.
the only and most direct forms of jesus's teachings that we have are the gospels. in the gospels, jesus is clearly a trouble-maker and an instigator of rebellion (and violence) just as often as he is a pacifist teaching people to 'turn the other cheek'. he is by turns magnanimous and modest. the jesus of the gospels is a complex figure – a man, which is kind of the whole point.
are you forgetting that jesus beat up the merchants in the temple? quite strange when you consider he wasn't a man of any authority or evident moral superiority to his time. he was basically a crazy preacher, one among many, who decided to go and whip a bunch of traders.
let's look at some other stuff from the gospels:
“But these enemies of mine who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here, and slay them in my presence” (Luke 19:27).
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law – a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.' Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me” (Matthew 10:34-38).
what about all that stuff jesus said about swords? at the last supper: 'sell your cloak and buy a sword'?
what about that stuff he said about being a lion? the lion of judah who will return at revelation? that is, the giant global conflagration and war that will happen at the end of times? have you read any of revelations? it's not exactly peaceful stuff.
you have this schoolchild's conception of the bible: 'old testament bad, jewish and violent: new testament the better sequel'. it's nothing like so neat and uncomplicated.
I don't care either. From what I understand, every culture makes Jesus their race. And I support that if it adds more souls into the Kingdom of Christ.War Man wrote:
Honestly, I could care less what race Jesus was.
They were warned by the Church not to do so and they disobeyed. They were proto-Prots anyway.uziq wrote:
you’re forgetting the phase of christianity where people were BURNED AT THE STAKE for daring to translate it from the latin into vernacular. lmao. you are committing fucking historical abuse. shut the fuck up.
Knowing that the migrants are not taken care of nor are they given opportunities to enter the labour market, does it make sense they travel further to other countries?Dilbert_X wrote:
Its not my fault if muslims don't like muslims.
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It's thanks to the protestants that the bible is available in all languages ffsSuperJail Warden wrote:
They were warned by the Church not to do so and they disobeyed. They were proto-Prots anyway.uziq wrote:
you’re forgetting the phase of christianity where people were BURNED AT THE STAKE for daring to translate it from the latin into vernacular. lmao. you are committing fucking historical abuse. shut the fuck up.
I will remember that next time a Republican quotes the Bible at me.Larssen wrote:
It's thanks to the protestants that the bible is available in all languages ffsSuperJail Warden wrote:
They were warned by the Church not to do so and they disobeyed. They were proto-Prots anyway.uziq wrote:
you’re forgetting the phase of christianity where people were BURNED AT THE STAKE for daring to translate it from the latin into vernacular. lmao. you are committing fucking historical abuse. shut the fuck up.
I'm sure people can hallucinate in any language.uziq wrote:
every religion has a concept of a sacred or holy language, whether it’s elevated and ritualised speech or a written system. the Logos. stop bullshitting and being a wannabe trad-cath. you live in sin.
