without knowing they’ll get public approval?Dilbert_X wrote:
Seems to be strange to be doing it now when they've had about a year to think about it.
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And she's gone. Not sure if my uncle is infected or not, pretty likely I guess.Dilbert_X wrote:
My uncle's partner is in hospital (uk) and isn't expected to survive, they're late seventies, she's had a severe heart condition since birth, he hasn't been instructed to have a test but presumably is infected too so likely bad news for him.
Having spent a little time in manufacturing I can safely say there was no chance whatever of having a hiatus to increase production having had months sitting on their hands to plan this while waiting for approval and with orders in the bag.uziq wrote:
without knowing they’ll get public approval?Dilbert_X wrote:
Seems to be strange to be doing it now when they've had about a year to think about it.
yes seems sensible to scale up to produce hundreds of millions of units of an unapproved vaccine.
it must be the evil jews instead trying to kill everyone by *checks notes* holding up the rollout of a vaccine by 10 days.
Sorry to hear that still. It's a sobering thing all the same, I think. I'm not sure how I should go about supporting living relatives who aren't taking it well but not really willing to talk about it. I'm keeping track of one the best I can for unexpected mood swings.Dilbert_X wrote:
And she's gone. Not sure if my uncle is infected or not, pretty likely I guess.Dilbert_X wrote:
My uncle's partner is in hospital (uk) and isn't expected to survive, they're late seventies, she's had a severe heart condition since birth, he hasn't been instructed to have a test but presumably is infected too so likely bad news for him.
Not sure how they got it, they were taking it in turns to go out with a mask once a week to buy stuff, that was it.
Its a bit sad, but she was old and I've dealt with a good few tragic deaths of relatively young people so this doesn't hit too hard.
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i think you have a hard time understanding the basic epidemiological arguments. but sure, we're all headless chickens in a panic.Larssen wrote:
I think all of you have a hard time accepting what it would mean if the virus is truly endemic. What do you expect, a year more of intermittent lockdowns - two years? I know full well rapid mutation is due to disease spread. Maybe you didn't realise but at least 4-5 billion people on this planet cannot afford the luxury of working from home or/and don't have a supportive government. Whether we lock down will not infinitely prevent or guard against mutation.
We wouldn't be the first generation in history to suffer the consequences of events outside our control. Or is that possibility taboo as well?
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weren't you literally saying in exasperation all of about 6 months ago that letting the virus levels rise will swamp our hospitals and lead to many, many more non-covid deaths? the UK has already had to cancel even pressing cancer treatments this winter because of the surge in covid-19 admissions. that very scenario is playing out in health systems all over the world dealing with this 'winter third wave'.Larssen wrote:
I think all of you have a hard time accepting what it would mean if the virus is truly endemic. What do you expect, a year more of intermittent lockdowns - two years? I know full well rapid mutation is due to disease spread. Maybe you didn't realise but at least 4-5 billion people on this planet cannot afford the luxury of working from home or/and don't have a supportive government. Whether we lock down will not infinitely prevent or guard against mutation.
We wouldn't be the first generation in history to suffer the consequences of events outside our control. Or is that possibility taboo as well?
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I'm not advocating to consider this now as I feel we should still hunker down and see if the vaccines are truly effective, but after this lockdown I can't see us go back in for a third.
So now we have three infected planeloads, 170+ people in isolation, and a bunch of hotel rooms being ruined.Dilbert_X wrote:
You stupid fuckersDilbert_X wrote:
If you keep coming up with the same ridiculous ideas thats what happens.
Great news though, we're holding an international tennis tournament - what could go wrong?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-16/ … /13063920.More than 120 people, including 47 players, have been counted as close contacts of the three positive cases, who arrived on charter flights into Victoria from Los Angeles and Abu Dhabi on Friday morning.
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https://7news.com.au/sport/tennis/novak … -c-1978302Novak Djokovic issues list of demands for quarantined tennis players
- Fitness and training material in all rooms
- Decent food for all players, after a number of players complained about their food on day one of quarantine
- Fewer overall days of isolation for the players hotel quarantine, while also carrying out more COVID tests
- Permission for players to visit their coach or physical trainer, as long as both have passed COVID tests
- Permission for players and coaches to be on the same floor of the hotel, if they pass COVID tests
- Relocation of many tennis players as possible to private houses with a court for their isolation period
COVID-19 Quarantine Victoria Commissioner Emma Cassar slammed the door shut on Djokovic on Monday morning, telling radio 3AW there will be no changes to the conditions that players are dealing with.
“It’s a firm NO from me,” Cassar said.
The commissioner’s response is no surprise, considering she declared on Sunday: “the program is set up to keep people safe. We will not be modifying the program or watering it down under any circumstances.”
The demands also went down like a lead balloon among many tennis fans, who weren’t about to take COVID advice from the player who organised the ill-fated Adria Tour event.
An Australian Open tennis player has tested positive for Covid-19 amid controversy over cases tied to the event.
At least nine infected people are in quarantine in Melbourne, officials say.
The staging of the international event has been debated in Australia given the country's very low virus numbers and strict entry rules.
Players have also expressed frustration about being confined to hotel rooms full-time while many rivals are not.
Organisers say the Grand Slam will go ahead despite the disruptions. The infected player has not been identified publicly.
Since Saturday, at least 72 players - and other staff - have been ordered to stay in their rooms for two weeks without leaving, after arriving on one of three flights with infected travellers.
A total of 15 chartered flights have brought over 1,200 players, staff and officials into Australia for the tournament on 8 February.
How fucking stupid.Australia is unlikely to fully open its borders in 2021 even if most of its population gets vaccinated this year as planned, says a senior health official.
The comments dampen hopes raised by airlines that travel to and from the country could resume as early as July.
Department of Health Secretary Brendan Murphy made the prediction after being asked about the coronavirus' escalation in other nations.
Dr Murphy spearheaded Australia's early action to close its borders last March.
"I think that we'll go most of this year with still substantial border restrictions," he told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation on Monday.
"Even if we have a lot of the population vaccinated, we don't know whether that will prevent transmission of the virus," he said, adding that he believed quarantine requirements for travellers would continue "for some time".
Citizens, permanent residents and those with exemptions are allowed to enter Australia if they complete a 14-day hotel quarantine at their own expense.
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