Nope, buildings burned to the ground.uziq wrote:
you seem awfully concerned about bins on fire and spray-paint.
https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/demons … mmer-2020/Demonstrators did not engage in violence or destructive activity in more than 93% of the more than 7,750 demonstrations across thousands of locations in all 50 states and Washington, D.C., between May 26 and late August, according to a report by the U.S. Crisis Monitor, a joint effort including Princeton University that collects and analyzes real-time data on demonstrations and political violence in the U.S.
amazing how often the resident scientist has to be referred to actual data and analysis.Yet, despite data indicating that demonstrations associated with the BLM movement are overwhelmingly peaceful, one recent poll suggested that 42% of respondents believe “most protesters [associated with the BLM movement] are trying to incite violence or destroy property” (FiveThirtyEight, 5 June 2020). This is in line with the Civiqs tracking poll which finds that “net approval for the Black Lives Matter movement peaked back on June 3 [the week following the killing of George Floyd when riots first began to be reported] and has fallen sharply since” (USA Today, 31 August 2020; Civiqs, 29 August 2020).
Research from the University of Washington indicates that this disparity stems from political orientation and biased media framing (Washington Post, 24 August 2020), such as disproportionate coverage of violent demonstrations (Business Insider, 11 June 2020; Poynter, 25 June 2020). Groups like the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) have documented organized disinformation campaigns aimed at spreading a “deliberate mischaracterization of groups or movements [involved in the protests], such as portraying activists who support Black Lives Matter as violent extremists or claiming that antifa is a terrorist organization coordinated or manipulated by nebulous external forces” (ADL, 2020). These disinformation campaigns may be contributing to the decline in public support for the BLM movement after the initial increase following Floyd’s killing, especially amongst the white population (USA Today, 31 August 2020; Civiqs, 30 August 2020a, 30 August 2020b). This waning support also comes as the Trump administration recently shifted its “law and order” messaging to target local Democratic Party politicians from urban areas, particularly on the campaign trail (NPR, 27 August 2020).
Despite the media focus on looting and vandalism, however, there is little evidence to suggest that demonstrators have engaged in widespread violence. In some cases where demonstrations did turn violent, there are reports of agents provocateurs — or infiltrators — instigating the violence. During a demonstration on 27 May in Minneapolis, for example, a man with an umbrella — dubbed the ‘umbrella man’ by the media and later identified as a member of the Hells Angels linked to the Aryan Cowboys, a white supremacist prison and street gang — was seen smashing store windows (Forbes, 30 May 2020; KSTP, 28 July 2020). It was one of the first reports of destructive activity that day, and it “created an atmosphere of hostility and tension” that helped spark an outbreak of looting following initially peaceful protests, according to police investigators, who believe the man “wanted to sow discord and racial unrest” (New York Times, 28 July 2020). In another example on 29 May in Detroit, a number of non-residents reportedly traveled to the city to engage in violent behavior during a demonstration, leading to multiple arrests (MLive, 2 June 2020).
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I'm sure 93% of the Capitol protestors didn't do anything, just as 93% of the wermacht didn't personally commit atrocities, does it mean anything?uziq wrote:
neither of those pictures are related to a BLM protest, of which SEVERAL MILLION PEOPLE attended in 2020.
if you're linking photos from london riots i assume you don't have much good evidence of BLM being a violent movement?https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/demons … mmer-2020/Demonstrators did not engage in violence or destructive activity in more than 93% of the more than 7,750 demonstrations across thousands of locations in all 50 states and Washington, D.C., between May 26 and late August, according to a report by the U.S. Crisis Monitor, a joint effort including Princeton University that collects and analyzes real-time data on demonstrations and political violence in the U.S.
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They will all merge together at some point.uziq wrote:
the black panthers are not BLM. how many times do people have to repeat these things to you?
BLM have distanced themselves from the black panthers on many, many occasions. they do not get along. they do not have the same objectives or the same philosophy. why are you trying to smear SEVEN AND A HALF THOUSAND peaceful protests last year with black panther killings from 1977?
you sure do know how to lose an argument in style.
They're two sides of the same coin, white supremacists and black supremacists. They put on a nice face from time to time but thats it.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
The potus just triggered an assault on not just the capitol, but many us state buildings as well. Attendees included recognizable neo-nazis and q-anon personalities. How the hell do the Black Panthers, in the aftermath of this, take ascendancy in a presidential election thread. It's a desperate distraction.
10 Blacks in America don't really have a lot in common with Africans and (? why?) middle-easterners.Dilbert_X wrote:
They will all merge together at some point.uziq wrote:
the black panthers are not BLM. how many times do people have to repeat these things to you?
BLM have distanced themselves from the black panthers on many, many occasions. they do not get along. they do not have the same objectives or the same philosophy. why are you trying to smear SEVEN AND A HALF THOUSAND peaceful protests last year with black panther killings from 1977?
you sure do know how to lose an argument in style.
Pretty well every peaceful revolution across africa and the ME invariably gets hijacked by psychopathic despots, why would you assume there will be an unexpected aberration and it won't happen again?
The CHAZ got hijacked within days, there's no prospect of it not happening.
BLM don't want 'revolution'? they don't want a communist utopia, either. they want to not be murdered by police.Dilbert_X wrote:
They will all merge together at some point.uziq wrote:
the black panthers are not BLM. how many times do people have to repeat these things to you?
BLM have distanced themselves from the black panthers on many, many occasions. they do not get along. they do not have the same objectives or the same philosophy. why are you trying to smear SEVEN AND A HALF THOUSAND peaceful protests last year with black panther killings from 1977?
you sure do know how to lose an argument in style.
Pretty well every peaceful revolution across africa and the ME invariably gets hijacked by psychopathic despots, why would you assume there will be an unexpected aberration and it won't happen again?
The CHAZ got hijacked within days, there's no prospect of it not happening.
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I can basically cover my eyes and pull pictures of armed Trumpist protests from my google search. You have to reference photos that aren't even BLM. "ThEy WiLl EvEnTuAllY MeRgE!!"Dilbert_X wrote:
They're two sides of the same coin, white supremacists and black supremacists. They put on a nice face from time to time but thats it.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
The potus just triggered an assault on not just the capitol, but many us state buildings as well. Attendees included recognizable neo-nazis and q-anon personalities. How the hell do the Black Panthers, in the aftermath of this, take ascendancy in a presidential election thread. It's a desperate distraction.
Painting one side as angels and the other as the devil is lazy and wrong.
I'd love to hear Jay's take on all this, but I think he's in a home loaded up with tranquilisers after his deck collapsed due to confusion between cantilever and simply supported beam design.
dilbert loves this line that most germans and their armed forces weren't really to blame for the bad bits, didn't know about the holocaust, etc.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
The Wehrmacht was definitely accountable for significant portions of war crimes, especially on the eastern front, especially against the "Judeo-Bolshevists." I shouldn't have to point out that they were also in cooperation with the SS and their war crimes.
when the fuck were black supremacists last relevant or in any position of influence? the militant movement is malcolm x era not george floyd.Dilbert_X wrote:
They're two sides of the same coin, white supremacists and black supremacists. They put on a nice face from time to time but thats it.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
The potus just triggered an assault on not just the capitol, but many us state buildings as well. Attendees included recognizable neo-nazis and q-anon personalities. How the hell do the Black Panthers, in the aftermath of this, take ascendancy in a presidential election thread. It's a desperate distraction.
Painting one side as angels and the other as the devil is lazy and wrong.
I'd love to hear Jay's take on all this, but I think he's in a home loaded up with tranquilisers after his deck collapsed due to confusion between cantilever and simply supported beam design.
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So the capitol hill protestors were "REVOLUTIONARIES", and that was OK because "it's literally a tradition within the established democratic framework."?uziq wrote:
do you know what civil disobedience even is? it's literally a tradition within the established democratic framework. REVOLUTIONARIES don't believe in civil disobedience you numbskull.
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