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I like Fleetwood Mac a lot. Beatles are super blah. Rolling Stones much better.

It's tricky?

DesertFox- wrote:

uziq wrote:

i would put classic rock and its listeners a generation behind nirvana and grunge. that was very much gen x stuff.

classic rock is the canonical, album-oriented stuff. all the usual big names: led zep, pink flloyd, rolling stones, beatles. the eagles, beach boys, fleetwood mac. jimi hendrix and memories of 'nam, you know.

generationally, i'd say it includes the 1980s and the harder stuff that came out then. guns & roses, ac/dc, def leppard, etc.

but i think 1990s music was a counter-culture that was explicitly in reaction to 'classic' rock and things like metal, especially the silliness of glam rock, hair metal, etc. all that stuff with men on stage in platform shoes and sequined leotards. nirvana swept all of that away in the 1990s and the music was released (then) on smaller, underground labels, and started talking about things like 'authenticity' and 'cool' a lot more. so came the birth of gen x.

semantics, though, i know. i take your point.

You're absolutely right about classification of it. The radio stations have generous interpretations of their genres. Pretty sure I once heard Run DMC on a classic rock station.

there's the whole punk/post-punk thing running through the same order of events, too, and things in the 1980s like new wave, new romantics, and so on. but i don't know if that ever truly had a mainstream radio listening in the same way that classic rock/hard rock did. that was more of an arty, avant-garde, bohemian thing. CBGB's in new york, warhol/the factory, the velvet underground, the ramones, etc...

I'd put them in the new wave category

I've been re-listening to the Bound 2049 fan-made album of remixes of Kanye tracks. If ^that^ resonates, the full experience is found here:

https://kanye2049.com

Edit -- And since I'm really talking to like 8 people, here's one just for Uzique (from same project):

Last edited by Pochsy (2021-01-08 19:17:27)

If mashup is the lowest form of wit then DJing must be lowest form of performance art.
Its not even art, just syncing up two tracks then sitting on your ass.

none of those assumptions are valid. are you amazed by the novelty of someone playing avril 14th and kendrick lamar over the top of one another? let me introduce you to the concept of DJ'ing. you find two songs at the same BPM, you sync them, and you play them both at the same time! wowsers!

whatever will this auteur come up with next? maybe an ariana grande acapella over darude's sandstorm?!?

it sounds like shit, it's not an interesting re-contextualisation or détournement, it's the musical equivalent of a frat party.

do you really prefer listening to a piece of music like avril 14th with a hyped-up rap verse over it? do you have ears? what are you, a puppy?

Last edited by uziq (2021-01-09 04:24:51)

song iz bad. move on.

i do like hip-hop, i spent all of NYE listening to MF DOOM and having a good little group tribute to a much-missed artist with my friends. kendrick isn't to my tastes personally, but that isn't really the point here. why would you put a hyped up rap verse over a placid, sentimental, slow, lachrymose song? is the direct contrast interesting to you? does it evoke interesting, complex emotions?

kanye sampled that song in an interesting way. it was an interesting citation within the context of MBDTF. a nod towards a major influence; it made sense.

the 'mash-up' isn't anything like so mature. the mash-up is just surface-level revelry in clashing two things together. oh! oh! let's do 'the clash' and 'rock the kasbah' over a reggaeton song! let's put elvis over some reggae! let's put britney spears over the prodigy! whooopeee!

the mash-up is the musical equivalent of putting tomato ketchup on everything you eat. who can possibly be interested in that shit beyond 20 seconds of novelty? song iz bad, move on.

Last edited by uziq (2021-01-09 04:38:15)

collage can be interesting. do you really want to get into a discursus on surrealist collage over a fucking basic mash-up of two pop songs? come on.

a mash-up has a lifespan of approximately one play. after that, it's dead. it's literally landfill. the best that can be said of them is that they pique the attention of drunken punters at bad nightclub shows or at sorority parties. it's really silly stuff. the raised-hands of recognition. the novelty of the thing.







OmFg!!!!

Last edited by uziq (2021-01-09 04:50:42)

it's not random artists, it's an album of aphex twin mash-ups with rap songs. isn't that what you love? you should be thanking me.

madeon is live sampling that mash-up in real-time. it's like araabmuzik. it's entirely different to just playing two songs on top of one another for a 'mash-up', like in all the examples linked above. what madeon does is cut those things into slices/loops and then live trigger them on a device. it's more akin to beat-making on old MPCs. it involves actually playing an instrument and, yes, collaging many sources together in original, inventive ways.

i knew you'd like stuff like madeon which is why i mentioned girl talk in my original post. it's the same schtick. sampling popular songs into little beat medleys. as i said, the main 'draw' and appeal seems to be recognizing lots of pop songs in different contexts. that's great, i guess.

i didn't say all remixes were low-value. some of my very favourite songs are remixes. but if you can't hear the difference between a live performance, as in madeon, and a kendrick acapella being played over avril 14th, i don't know what to say to you. my criticism is entirely  sound when i say the latter is superficial, played-out, and not very interesting. how many rappers have used avril 14th at this point ffs? booooooring. we get it, rappers, you know one of the most famous electronic musician's most famous songs.

here is a creative remix, seeing as you find me actually recommending music so tiresome.





the kendrick mash-up is not even on the same order of interest or creativity. it's a ball of yarn for a bored cat.

there are many legendary albums of people cutting up things into slices/beats and making new productions. that's just sampling/MPC culture generally. it's not limited to the insipidity of 'mash-ups'. check out something like bullion's 'pet sounds', made exclusively using beach boys samples, or, for an old hip-hop head album, edan's 'beauty and the beat'. these are all made exclusively using 'chopped and screwed' samples from legendary source material. they're all way, way more interesting than a 2-bit mash-up.

Last edited by uziq (2021-01-09 05:13:06)

shahter, playing samples like that is musical. it is creative. let's not get into some tiresome discussion of 'oh, they're not playing a cello or an oboe so it's not musical'.

i am not talking about live performances of songs like madeon at all. what he is doing is entirely different from a producer playing 2 songs over the top of one another.

Last edited by uziq (2021-01-09 05:14:35)

No argument--the remixes referred to are indeed more complex and creatively deep. I'd propose only a simple question for your consideration: would you have thought to overlay Kendrick's gritty vocals with what is arguably Aphex Twin's most emotionally evocative composition? My point is that if Warhol can take a can of fucking soup and have revered as art, I'm willing to make a stretch for this.