I was over at my mom's last night for dinner and this very conversation came up. US History in 4th grade. US History in 7th grade. US History in 10th grade. Civics in 12th. Yet these people have noooo fucking clue how the government works, which is why you get people thinking you can get your vote counted twice if you get two ballots, or that 500 witnesses saw fraud happen, or that Pence can refuse to certify the results, or that a fucking deep state pedophilia ring is suppressing the people's vote, or that "if you just remove LA and NYC from the votes, Trump totally won."
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Did you tell your mom about me?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I was over at my mom's last night for dinner and this very conversation came up. US History in 4th grade. US History in 7th grade. US History in 10th grade. Civics in 12th. Yet these people have noooo fucking clue how the government works, which is why you get people thinking you can get your vote counted twice if you get two ballots, or that 500 witnesses saw fraud happen, or that Pence can refuse to certify the results, or that a fucking deep state pedophilia ring is suppressing the people's vote, or that "if you just remove LA and NYC from the votes, Trump totally won."
Anyway, I think you are right. All of you. Both sides.
Most kids couldn't care less. A subset of other kids will take it to heart and want to change history and be a part of it. I bet a bunch of the 30-somethings at the protest were babysat by the History channel a good part of their life and thought they were storming the Bastille.
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Wait, so Elizabeth from Knoxville, who claims she was maced after storming the Capitol, was dabbing her eyes with an onion towel?
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Wait, so Elizabeth from Knoxville, who claims she was maced after storming the Capitol, was dabbing her eyes with an onion towel?
This is a smooth-brained take, Mac. Maybe if you were a self-sufficient rancher out west, you could pretend to be unaffected by the world around you. It's bland "both sides-ism" that doesn't stand up to any scrutiny and doesn't actually make you sound intelligent or novel.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Yeah because at the end of the day, with all your education and ability to reason and locate nuance, you'd still rather American politics be more like Game of Thrones than anything resembling reality. That's one large serving of privilege, with a scoop of laziness on the side. Mangia!SuperJail Warden wrote:
Let the record show that I have maintained the consistent position that both sides, all the sides, occasionally put on a good show.
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I vote democrat, complain here with you all, and donate to charity. What more do you want from me? It's not within my power to change any of this so I might as well enjoy the show.DesertFox- wrote:
This is a smooth-brained take, Mac. Maybe if you were a self-sufficient rancher out west, you could pretend to be unaffected by the world around you. It's bland "both sides-ism" that doesn't stand up to any scrutiny and doesn't actually make you sound intelligent or novel.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Yeah because at the end of the day, with all your education and ability to reason and locate nuance, you'd still rather American politics be more like Game of Thrones than anything resembling reality. That's one large serving of privilege, with a scoop of laziness on the side. Mangia!SuperJail Warden wrote:
Let the record show that I have maintained the consistent position that both sides, all the sides, occasionally put on a good show.
Still relevant:
Don't mind the music. Doesn't need a soundtrack for impact.
Don't mind the music. Doesn't need a soundtrack for impact.
did BLM/antifa not literally take over parts of portland and hold government buildings? did they not burn down a police station in minnesota? did cops and random people not get beat up and bricks and molotov cocktails thrown at them? it wasn't just property damage and thievery dude people got killed and injured. and in certain cases, especially the beginning, the media and left leaning politicians stoked the flames.DesertFox- wrote:
Comparisons of dollar amounts of damage of extent of buildings burned seems an odd comparison between opportunists using protests against police brutality to nick some swag and/or do some destructive shit and a mob encouraged by political figures to disrupt government proceedings that seem unfavorable to said politician. My position from the summer that people's lives are more important than property is still firmly held, but I have no problem squaring that with the lady who was killed yesterday.
If the group was able to reach Congresspeople, what do we suppose would have happened to demonized figures like Nancy Pelosi, the Squad, or recently Mike Pence (what with the "Hang Mike Pence" chanting that was occurring)? I'm not even confident the known conservatives who are playing with fire would be safe. The mob wasn't formed organically, but it grew and its actions were once it got rolling. There's no telling how far these people would have gone.
If we're allegedly a civilized society, I don't think we can conflate a Target being looted during unrest with the seat of federal government being thronged by angry citizens and their ill-founded beliefs. One is a much bigger problem.
i watched dozens of independent small businesses on melrose get looted and destroyed on live TV. that shit was just this past summer and it's still fresh in my head. i'm trying to be jay here but lets be real bro
gang shit
no it just seems like protesting quickly turns into rioting. happened last night. happened last summerRTHKI wrote:
so you just lump rioting and protesting in the same group huh drooz
gang shit
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I am not confident I would be able to correctly identify which state is Minnesota on a blank map. There is a vast chasm of space between a police station in a city I also probably can't spell correctly and the congress of the most powerful country in human history.
Black Friday rush sometimes quickly turns into chaos. Guess we should pre-emptively mace and beat poor people shopping at Walmart.lil_droo wrote:
no it just seems like protesting quickly turns into rioting. happened last night. happened last summerRTHKI wrote:
so you just lump rioting and protesting in the same group huh drooz
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The scandal is that Trump was the one who pointed the crowd to the building and then refused to provide security before and during the riot.lil_droo wrote:
no it just seems like protesting quickly turns into rioting. happened last night. happened last summerRTHKI wrote:
so you just lump rioting and protesting in the same group huh drooz
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Someone sitting in Nany Pelosi's office. An internet person amusingly pointed out that the crowd was like a dog that caught the car. Once they got in, they didn't know what to do and basically started taking social media pictures. Stupid and bold.
I just read about this guy. 60, self-identified white nationalist, claimed he was maced by police, didn't actually break into her office (was forced in by the crowd), "bled" in her office, denied stealing a letter to a Republican congressman, than said he paid for it by putting a quarter on the desk though she wasn't worth it. Goes by "Bigo." Etc. Probably reminds a lot of Americans of their old racist uncles.
There's going to be a lot of little bios like this in the near future, I think.
There's going to be a lot of little bios like this in the near future, I think.
What I'm really looking forward to is dozens of Waco-style standoffs as the FBI hunt down these guys and they sit it out in their AWRs.
I hope artillery is used in mainland America again.
I hope artillery is used in mainland America again.
Fuck Israel
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With all of the hard core white supremacists showing up I wonder if we are going to have a Benghazi revelation about it all. The Obama administration initially said that attack was the result of protest that got out of hand. It later turned out to be a planned assault. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a subset of people within this group who had this thing in mind and the crowd gave them the boost to actually do it.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
I just read about this guy. 60, self-identified white nationalist, claimed he was maced by police, didn't actually break into her office (was forced in by the crowd), "bled" in her office, denied stealing a letter to a Republican congressman, than said he paid for it by putting a quarter on the desk though she wasn't worth it. Goes by "Bigo." Etc. Probably reminds a lot of Americans of their old racist uncles.
There's going to be a lot of little bios like this in the near future, I think.
i actually wasn't aware of this but if it's legit then yeah i can't really say i'm super surprised. trump is mostly a scumbag. i'm sure he wanted it to happen to stir up shit and probably scare people like "look, this is what my supporters will do!"SuperJail Warden wrote:
The scandal is that Trump was the one who pointed the crowd to the building and then refused to provide security before and during the riot.lil_droo wrote:
no it just seems like protesting quickly turns into rioting. happened last night. happened last summerRTHKI wrote:
so you just lump rioting and protesting in the same group huh drooz
gang shit
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What I'm really looking forward to is dozens of Waco-style standoffs as the FBI hunt down these guys and they sit it out in their AWRs.
I hope artillery is used in mainland America again.
gang shit
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They announced that a cop died as a result of injuries from yesterday. This capital thing has directly killed 5 people. And then there's COVID which we forget is also a thing.
So I've been told Trump petulantly locked Pence out of the white house. Looking it up, I guess it was the VP's chief of staff who was petulantly locked out? How worse can this get before he's out.
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Black Friday rush sometimes quickly turns into chaos. Guess we should pre-emptively mace and beat poor people shopping at Walmart.lil_droo wrote:
no it just seems like protesting quickly turns into rioting. happened last night. happened last summerRTHKI wrote:
so you just lump rioting and protesting in the same group huh drooz
OK but we can't just be savaging people on the off chance they might commit a crime. The point.28 minutes, 11 seconds ago lil_droo (17) Presidential Election 2016 lets be realistic
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The lady who got killed seemed lovely
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She traveled from California to get shot in Washington. Reminds me of a Crusader traveling to Jerusalem to get horse trampled.
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She traveled from California to get shot in Washington. Reminds me of a Crusader traveling to Jerusalem to get horse trampled.
We all know there were instances of looting and property destruction that came along in parallel to the protests in the summer; I don't deny that. As I'm sure you had seen, though, there seemed to be some differences among the way these crowds were treated. Also, could you point to some of these media and left-leaning politicians stoking flames as you say? Acknowledging there's grievances among the crowd is not the same as "y'all should go get yourselves some TVs". I do recall some judicial building in Portland was broken into, but don't really know more than that if people were inside or what.lil_droo wrote:
did BLM/antifa not literally take over parts of portland and hold government buildings? did they not burn down a police station in minnesota? did cops and random people not get beat up and bricks and molotov cocktails thrown at them? it wasn't just property damage and thievery dude people got killed and injured. and in certain cases, especially the beginning, the media and left leaning politicians stoked the flames.DesertFox- wrote:
Comparisons of dollar amounts of damage of extent of buildings burned seems an odd comparison between opportunists using protests against police brutality to nick some swag and/or do some destructive shit and a mob encouraged by political figures to disrupt government proceedings that seem unfavorable to said politician. My position from the summer that people's lives are more important than property is still firmly held, but I have no problem squaring that with the lady who was killed yesterday.
If the group was able to reach Congresspeople, what do we suppose would have happened to demonized figures like Nancy Pelosi, the Squad, or recently Mike Pence (what with the "Hang Mike Pence" chanting that was occurring)? I'm not even confident the known conservatives who are playing with fire would be safe. The mob wasn't formed organically, but it grew and its actions were once it got rolling. There's no telling how far these people would have gone.
If we're allegedly a civilized society, I don't think we can conflate a Target being looted during unrest with the seat of federal government being thronged by angry citizens and their ill-founded beliefs. One is a much bigger problem.
i watched dozens of independent small businesses on melrose get looted and destroyed on live TV. that shit was just this past summer and it's still fresh in my head. i'm trying to be jay here but lets be real bro
It's not unprecedented that crowds have broken into government buildings or interrupted legislative sessions before in response to contentious issues. Protests have happened in politics. Looting and riots have happened for various reasons. What hasn't happened (to my knowledge in recent times, anyway) is a politician riling up a crowd with inflammatory language like "trial by combat", "stolen election" and then sent them forth down the road to his opponents. That's mob rule, and at the highest legislative level of government in the land. If you want to argue our norms and decorum of government are a farce, I'd likely agree with you, but I do also think they're important if we say we're a representative democracy.
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When nightfall came the last of the Trump people get the same treatment that BLM usually got. The media is out there but few people will probably see it since media people broadly don't identify with this group of people.DesertFox- wrote:
We all know there were instances of looting and property destruction that came along in parallel to the protests in the summer; I don't deny that. As I'm sure you had seen, though, there seemed to be some differences among the way these crowds were treated. Also, could you point to some of these media and left-leaning politicians stoking flames as you say? Acknowledging there's grievances among the crowd is not the same as "y'all should go get yourselves some TVs". I do recall some judicial building in Portland was broken into, but don't really know more than that if people were inside or what.lil_droo wrote:
did BLM/antifa not literally take over parts of portland and hold government buildings? did they not burn down a police station in minnesota? did cops and random people not get beat up and bricks and molotov cocktails thrown at them? it wasn't just property damage and thievery dude people got killed and injured. and in certain cases, especially the beginning, the media and left leaning politicians stoked the flames.DesertFox- wrote:
Comparisons of dollar amounts of damage of extent of buildings burned seems an odd comparison between opportunists using protests against police brutality to nick some swag and/or do some destructive shit and a mob encouraged by political figures to disrupt government proceedings that seem unfavorable to said politician. My position from the summer that people's lives are more important than property is still firmly held, but I have no problem squaring that with the lady who was killed yesterday.
If the group was able to reach Congresspeople, what do we suppose would have happened to demonized figures like Nancy Pelosi, the Squad, or recently Mike Pence (what with the "Hang Mike Pence" chanting that was occurring)? I'm not even confident the known conservatives who are playing with fire would be safe. The mob wasn't formed organically, but it grew and its actions were once it got rolling. There's no telling how far these people would have gone.
If we're allegedly a civilized society, I don't think we can conflate a Target being looted during unrest with the seat of federal government being thronged by angry citizens and their ill-founded beliefs. One is a much bigger problem.
i watched dozens of independent small businesses on melrose get looted and destroyed on live TV. that shit was just this past summer and it's still fresh in my head. i'm trying to be jay here but lets be real bro
It's not unprecedented that crowds have broken into government buildings or interrupted legislative sessions before in response to contentious issues. Protests have happened in politics. Looting and riots have happened for various reasons. What hasn't happened (to my knowledge in recent times, anyway) is a politician riling up a crowd with inflammatory language like "trial by combat", "stolen election" and then sent them forth down the road to his opponents. That's mob rule, and at the highest legislative level of government in the land. If you want to argue our norms and decorum of government are a farce, I'd likely agree with you, but I do also think they're important if we say we're a representative democracy.
I think the police in the capital hill uprising did a fine enough job restoring order after initial security was overwhelmed. In the case of BLM, and this group, the government should not go in shooting. The police weren't too easy on the capital hill people but just too hard on BLM is the way I feel about it.
The capital hill group is going to get uniquely targeted for arrest in a way that BLM/Antifa doesn't get if that makes up for it all. This attack on the capital was also much more damaging to their movement than anything the BLM did.
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One grating things about reading right wing comments about this thing is that they act as if they are the only ones angry nowadays. A lot of tough guy talk about "talking back our country", "fighting back", "defeating the leftist" etc. It's like they think they are the only ones angry, resourceful, and capable of violence.
Funny Funnily enough, that's exactly the state that tripped me up the most on your state exam thread.SuperJail Warden wrote:
I am not confident I would be able to correctly identify which state is Minnesota on a blank map. There is a vast chasm of space between a police station in a city I also probably can't spell correctly and the congress of the most powerful country in human history.