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2020-12-31 05:22:24
uziq
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an analogy, like all forms of simile or metaphor, is supposed to be revealing. you deploy an analogy in a rhetorical argument in order to shed light on something, to help someone grasp what you're saying conceptually, or to create new, innovative meanings.

your 'facility' for analogy extends to comparing everything to world war 2, i'm guessing because that subject comprises 95% of your bookshelf and lifetime's reading, and to make everything about nazis/the holocaust/jews or, more recently, about some vague and not quite historically defined 'china' from the early-mid 20th century. none of it makes any sense and just leads to headscratching, not analogical insight.

do better.

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2020-12-31 05:41:55
Dilbert_X
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Actually it is apt. Really 'The Holocaust' should be called something more descriptive, since there have been numerous 'holocausts' over the years, multiple just in WW2

noun: holocaust; plural noun: holocausts
1.
destruction or slaughter on a mass scale, especially caused by fire or nuclear war.
"a nuclear holocaust"

the mass murder of Jewish people under the German Nazi regime during the period 1941–5. More than 6 million European Jews, as well as members of other persecuted groups such as Romani and gay people, were murdered at concentration camps such as Auschwitz.
noun: the Holocaust
2.
HISTORICAL
a Jewish sacrificial offering that was burned completely on an altar.

See how confusing just the word is?

Calling it the Nazi holocaust is probably the best one, as it includes all the non-jews who no-one wants to hear about, separates it from Stalin's holocausts on German prisoners and his own people, and the nuclear holocaust inflicted on the Japanese.

It could be the 'Jewish holocaust' but then is that the holocaust inflicted on the jews in WW2, or the one inflcted by the jews in Palestine?

Obviously the jews don't want anyone talking about anyone but them, just as the Chinese don't want to be the ones talked about.

So even now the use of 'holocaust' means different things to different people and is highly contentious.

I'm sure we'll still be arguing about Covid vs Wuhan Lab Virus Weapon in 50 years time - assuming the Chinese haven't killed us all and the jews haven't brought about armageddon.

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2020-12-31 05:54:20
uziq
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you just wrote all that and linked a dictionary entry, when you're not aware of the difference between a proper and improper noun?

'a holocaust' and 'The Holocaust' are different things. that's how language works. this isn't complicated.

just like 'a plague' and 'The Plague' are identifiably different things, too. or do you lobby tirelessly on behalf of the bubonic plague, also?

i mean, really, we need a new name for The Great War, many wars in history have been great, when you think about it ... typical arrogance and racism on behalf of the Allied Powers. which, come to think of it, they're not the only powers to ally in history ... do white europeans really have no shame?!?

and the jews haven't brought about armageddon.
really, you should use a word that is more descriptive. 'armageddon' is a concept in ancient greek, hebrew and islamic.

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2020-12-31 08:14:26
SuperJail Warden
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I don't care about the proper terminology for whatever it is the Nazis did to innocent people in Europe. I don't like that some Jewish people want a disproportionate amount of attention for it all. I think that plays into pro-Nazism anyway. The Nazis ultimate plan for Eastern Europe was to eliminate Slavs as a community and use the remainder as slave labor for German agrarian settler communities. Literally New World chattel slavery. The Jews who don't bring this up aren't doing a good job at convincing Eastern Europeans that Nazism isn't for them. The turn to right wingism in Eastern Europe isn't strange but the fact that some groups in the region coopt Nazi iconography is bizarre.

On the other and, I think if the Nazism weren't so racist against Jews and other non-whites and instead just focused on killing all Eastern European whites, people wouldn't be so hostile to the whole of Nazism.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
2021-01-03 06:31:30
uziq
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anyway, the pandemic, remember?

two threads about incoming arrivals to taiwan and south korea. both are extremely detailed.

https://twitter.com/josie_huang/status/ … 0619072512 (taiwan)
https://twitter.com/koryodynasty/status … 64544?s=24 (south korea)

both countries, lest you need reminding, have < 1000 deaths all year.

of course, these sorts of incoming arrivals measures make no sense if you don't have domestic track+trace and community adherence to go with it. but what a different picture of the pandemic these countries represent. equivalent populations, population density, patterns of urban living, connection to outside world, etc. as any other major country that has been annihilated by the pandemic (comparisons to aus/nz are a little less meaningful, by contrast).
2021-01-03 15:05:07
Dilbert_X
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So Britain and America have both just had their highest numbers ever, both are likely to see their health systems overwhelmed.

If there were a stupid/shortsightedness index I'm sure it would correlate neatly with Wuhan Flu infection rates.
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2021-01-04 07:30:54
RTHKI
mmmf mmmf mmmf
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A managers wife has covid for like 1.5 weeks now and he has not tested positive yet.
https://i.imgur.com/tMvdWFG.png
2021-01-04 07:37:57
Larssen
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It doesn't affect everyone but the important question is: is he self isolating as he should?
2021-01-04 07:56:37
RTHKI
mmmf mmmf mmmf
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Lol. No
https://i.imgur.com/tMvdWFG.png
2021-01-04 07:59:42
uziq
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half a million americans are going to die of this thing before any sort of widespread, well-organized, general vaccine programme is effective.
2021-01-04 08:28:03
RTHKI
mmmf mmmf mmmf
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1/4-1/6 of media predictions with lots of small businesses closing and no healthcare reform. Perfect
https://i.imgur.com/tMvdWFG.png
2021-01-04 08:45:55
SuperJail Warden
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The American people are getting exactly what they want. A government that governs least something something
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
2021-01-04 09:02:25
Larssen
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

I don't care about the proper terminology for whatever it is the Nazis did to innocent people in Europe. I don't like that some Jewish people want a disproportionate amount of attention for it all. I think that plays into pro-Nazism anyway. The Nazis ultimate plan for Eastern Europe was to eliminate Slavs as a community and use the remainder as slave labor for German agrarian settler communities. Literally New World chattel slavery. The Jews who don't bring this up aren't doing a good job at convincing Eastern Europeans that Nazism isn't for them. The turn to right wingism in Eastern Europe isn't strange but the fact that some groups in the region coopt Nazi iconography is bizarre.

On the other and, I think if the Nazism weren't so racist against Jews and other non-whites and instead just focused on killing all Eastern European whites, people wouldn't be so hostile to the whole of Nazism.
Wtf?
2021-01-04 09:08:15
SuperJail Warden
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What's wrong?
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
2021-01-04 18:30:08
SuperJail Warden
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Article in mainstream New York magazine regarding the potential that COVID was a Chinese lab accident.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article … heory.html
The article is long and I am going to sit down and go through it now but I did read a synopsis from NR. (lol?) While all of the evidence is circumstantial, it is plausible. Still even if COVID was a Chinese lab accident, it doesn't exonerate western leaders from their poor handling of the crisis. The origin of the virus and the America domestic handling of the virus are two separate issues. Nothing short of there being a "secret Chinese vaccine to their COVID bioweapon'' is going to make me more angry at China/CCP than I will be at the American right wing for this and a lifetime of other stuff.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
2021-01-04 23:52:11
unnamednewbie13
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The article starts with "what if." But that's all it needs to outright convince. This shit's gonna be in my inbox tomorrow morning with complaints about belligerent Chinese generals and mad docs killing the world with kung flus.
2021-01-05 00:58:10
Dilbert_X
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It seems Britain has 10 weeks of quiet time to reflect on whether opening up for christmas was worth it.

Also

More than 50 unlicensed music events and New Year's Eve parties were broken up by the Met in London overnight for being in breach of tier four rules.

Five people were reported for a possible £10,000 fine for organising large gatherings, while another 217 were issued with fixed penalty notices.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-55507599
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2021-01-05 01:36:26
BVC
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At this stage I'm pretty happy with my government's strategy on Covid.  Even if I have issues with certain aspects of their political direction, I will admit they have done a good job of keeping us covid-free so far and...lockdowns+basic hygene work.

Also even in lockdown you can still mail order beer. I've done it many times, whiskey too.
2021-01-05 10:50:17
uziq
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we didn't open up for christmas. there were severe restrictions on most of the country for christmas. we opened up for xmas shopping. restrictions were announced at closing time on the last saturday before christmas. get it right please.

unlicensed parties happened everywhere. france had a 3 day rave that was so big that the police couldn't even shut it down.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55513167

parties at byron bay and bronte beach in australia?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … ocals.html

why do you make it so peevishly nationalistic? people are flouting lockdown rules for christmas and new year's all over the world. we all knew it was going to happen. some countries are in worse situations than others and the harm done is multiplied to similar effect.
2021-01-05 10:50:59
uziq
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BVC wrote:

At this stage I'm pretty happy with my government's strategy on Covid.  Even if I have issues with certain aspects of their political direction, I will admit they have done a good job of keeping us covid-free so far and...lockdowns+basic hygene work.

Also even in lockdown you can still mail order beer. I've done it many times, whiskey too.
netherlands, if i recall correctly? your testing rate is really low and your stats are under-reported.
2021-01-05 11:29:11
KEN-JENNINGS
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He's in NZ. Pretty much one of the only places that can point the finger at virtually every other country in the world.
2021-01-05 11:48:44
unnamednewbie13
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My uncle and aunt (not the one by the coast, though she's due for a hospital visit) both have covid-19. Uncle is unresponsive, and it's already being debated outside my input on how long to keep him going. He has pre-existing conditions, but this also gives me some genetic indication of how I might fare.

This feels hopefully relevant.

A 'miracle patient' with coronavirus woke up from a coma the day before her family was set to decide whether to take her off life support
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-mir … r-BB1cqgcK

Setting aside the religiosity.
2021-01-05 11:58:38
KEN-JENNINGS
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Socal hospitals are now talking about rationing care due to the overwhelming number of covid patients.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat … 141138001/

Remember when people said nationalized healthcare would result in death panels? Turns out we just needed a pandemic, no leadership,  and a healthy collective selfishness in order to see it through. No socialized medicine needed!

I think we are missing a perspective from people who have noncovid-related medical emergencies who are seeing their healthcare needs either denied or severely curtailed. It's become clear to me that there is a large percentage of this country who does not believe anything until they personally experience it, so let's make it clear that increased infection rates are a detriment to ALL emergency care, not just covid patients.
2021-01-05 12:07:46
unnamednewbie13
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Something for people to be mindful of before they have their next 300-guest wedding.

I haven't gone to the doctor, dentist, or had a professional haircut all year. My parents haven't either, though have an indoor/outdoor cat and things are unclear (afaik) on if they can spread it to humans. My aunt is terrified of catching it at the hospital while being treated. If fates swing hardcore, my father could lose both siblings within months.

But yes, the virus is fake news. "I dOn'T KnOw AnYoNe WhO's CaUgHt It!"
2021-01-05 12:11:45
uziq
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

He's in NZ. Pretty much one of the only places that can point the finger at virtually every other country in the world.
i don't know, i think they've been dining out on that for a very long time. NZ is 1,200 miles away from ANY other land mass. it's also feasibly one of the only places in the world that can solve covid fairly easily by closing the borders and track+tracing. their entire population is 5 million people. that's a large city in most countries of the world.

i've said above that a south korea or a taiwan can take a lot more credit for their handling of covid. they are connected to china and many other infected countries in multiplicand ways, way beyond tourist numbers or returning patriates. new zealand is not contiguous to nor centrally important to any supply/logistics or even information/finance networks.

new zealand deserve credit for being responsible and cautious for a year. but, from my perspective, listening to comparisons between the NZ and the UK for the last year 'bEcAuSe iT's aNotHer IsLaND', man, am i sick of that shit.

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