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wtf never heard of a cat cafe. honestly seems kinda gross dining and petting animals etc but whatever. i am not allergic to cats but i wouldnt wanna be eating and playing with them and getting dander and hair everywhere near my food.

RTHKI wrote:

Laws here, or at least NC,  prevent them from having dining and cats in the same area.

then what do the people do? watch the cats in a different enclosed area as they're eating and play with them afterwards?

lil_droo wrote:

RTHKI wrote:

Laws here, or at least NC,  prevent them from having dining and cats in the same area.

then what do the people do? watch the cats in a different enclosed area as they're eating and play with them afterwards?

they're called cafes not restaurants. people go there as groups to play with cats and eat cookies and slurp milkshakes or whatever.

people go to them on dates because of the aww cute factor.

people go there to relax and be around small cute animals. same deal when puppies get brought onto university campuses during exam season.

lots of people in modern cities or apartment high-rise living can't own pets. --> cat cafe.

most obviously, these things are made for the instagram era. people go to them to take photos and post hash-tags or whatever the fuck.

i've never been to one. i'm allergic to cats. sounds like a nightmarish afternoon to me.

i don’t think i’m missing anything tbh.

uziq wrote:

chinese pangolins are a critically endangered species. there's about 20,000 of them in the wild. it is an ultra-delicacy for the rich. dilbert trying to suggest that the chinese are 'eating pangolins for their meat' on the regular, going down to the average blue-collar joe wet market in a mid-tier city like wuhan, is a joke. people aren't shopping for pangolin flesh or bat soup in wuhan.

I didn't say the average chinese was eating pangolins daily, you're becoming more desperate with your false assertions.
It doesn't matter, it only takes one animal to infect an entire market.

Apparently people were shopping for bat and pangolin in Wuhan, so once again you're wrong.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/lion- … 2020-05-21

Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

chinese pangolins are a critically endangered species. there's about 20,000 of them in the wild. it is an ultra-delicacy for the rich. dilbert trying to suggest that the chinese are 'eating pangolins for their meat' on the regular, going down to the average blue-collar joe wet market in a mid-tier city like wuhan, is a joke. people aren't shopping for pangolin flesh or bat soup in wuhan.

I didn't say the average chinese was eating pangolins daily, you're becoming more desperate with your false assertions.
It doesn't matter, it only takes one animal to infect an entire market.

Apparently people were shopping for bat and pangolin in Wuhan, so once again you're wrong.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/lion- … 2020-05-21

so much for ‘false assertions’. the article says that the consumption of exotic meat was banned, not that it was an actively ongoing and common practice. it banned the consumption of lion meat too: do you think people were often consuming lion in wuhan?

a wet-market is their version of a farmer’s market. it’s how the majority of working/poor chinese get their produce. the vast majority is non-exotic food and seafood. you railing against the chinese diet as if consuming pangolin is common is like railing against european people for eating fermented birds. who does it?

transmission from animals to animals is the real cause here that has to be stressed, not moaning about another culture’s diet because you find it ‘weird’ or ‘unnecessary’.

your facile and moronic read of this is just going to see you chasing your tail in anger and frustration every time there’s an outbreak somewhere in the world. ‘damn the mexicans and their vile and unnecessary consumption of pigs ...’

250,000
people
died
in
the 2009 swine flu epidemic
concentrated mainly
in the united states of america

i don’t think anyone is doubting the value of food hygiene standards or animal welfare. i would prefer to eat clean meat, not get food poisoning, and not to torture animals. but your ‘the chinese do weird things’, ‘the chinese ear unnecessary food’ stuff is FUCKING NONSENSE.

it’s almost like the entire point that people have been making all along is that, with an increasingly developed and globalised world, encroachment and proximity is more and more inevitable. whoosh, over your head. let’s moan some more about the strange and exotic china-man.

how the fuck do you isolate animal populations from birds? do you know how avian flu gets into human populations? it’s from bird shit in food supply, not going out and eating twitching, sick birds. how did covid get into the vast mink facilities of denmark? from SEAGULLS.

do you think the giant meat-processing factories in mexico, allegedly responsible for the 2009 swine flu epidemic, are akin to village-level slaughtering in the street? it’s industrial meat production at giant facilities. of course they might not be as clean or to as high a sanitary standard as US FDA-approved plants, but still: their scale is enormous. overlap with other animal populations, contamination, especially from birds, isn’t exactly fucking simple.

my god you are dense.

Last edited by uziq (2020-12-14 02:09:34)

you have an extremely naive and simplistic view of global supply chains and logistics. of course these huge pig farms and meat plants aren’t in the middle of thronging cities. they already are isolated facilities. but infected produce or livestock can move around a lot. that’s the modern nature of industrial food supplies.

look at how hard it was for the U.K. to contain foot and mouth or BSE. pretty sure cattle farming there took place over very large, isolated farms that weren’t at all intermingled with human populations. it spread fast because of the supply chain and the necessary interaction with other carriers/hosts - humans, other farmyard animals, etc.

nevermind the fact that covid is asymptomatic and subclinical in animals, just as flus which are eventually dangerous to humans might be. very easy for a new development to spread rapidly undetected. a pig or bird could be carrying a flu virus that is dangerous to humans but harmless to the host/carrier.

we’re back at the dilbert solution: close all airports, shut down everything, ban meat eating worldwide, etc. a very practicable and adult conversation. sadly i don’t have the energy to hear you bloviate on this theme for the 30th time in 2020.

Last edited by uziq (2020-12-14 02:26:20)

Why the rush if it's not as bad as all the "profiteering doctors" are making it out to be?

America hitting record after record, wow.

yeah, that video is incredibly sensationalist and short-sighted, considering there was a swine flu epidemic in north america in 2009.