BF2S Forums Should America close bases and stop aid to EU?

If you were to compare how many bases the U.S. has in Europe now compared to let's say 15 years ago, there would be no comparison.  We have cut about 3/4 of our bases out of Europe over the last 15 years.  I wish they did not cut the base in the Netherlands, That was a nice base.

Do you know what has happened to those bases that closed.  They were given back to the respective country with all of the nice buildings that were put there.  IF you want specifics, I have some bases I can give the NICE things that was given back.

If everyone wants us to leave, then I say we should ask for all of the money that was given to everyone over the years to rebuild and for all of the buildings that we built and gave them.  Also, watch some of the smaller communities feel tha pain from when we leave.  We pump so much money into the communities that we have bases. 

I spent six years and Europe and most of the people that I have met were some of the nicer people I have met.  But then again, there are those bad apple.

I dont think this is a matter fit for debate by the citizen alone. If you don't want American bases in your country, elect government officials who are against them. If it were as I recall, we tend to be allies with these countries --_--.

Last edited by Xietsu (2006-05-29 14:08:23)

meh, to kick of with as many already said the US doesnt aid the EU.

Aid ofcourse can be many things but atm the US is not aiding the EU in anyway.
(Aid can be helping otu with cash, food or military power).

The reason the US has bases in europe are easy. The US fights wars (or military operations) near europe (balkan or middle east) they use their european bases to store stuff.
If they had no bases in the EU they would have trouble managing the air transports form the US to the places they want to go to (balkan middle east etc) Cause theyd either have to let it all come from the US or would have to ask the europeans permission to store US equipment or soldiers on european owned bases.

Usually the US uses their bases in europe to prepare for an attack or operation or when at the front certain equipment is needed they can let it come from their european bases wich ofc is quicker.

The US has bases all aroudn the planet so they always have one of their own bases near the place were theyw ant to be and dont have to negotiate about permission of using a german or french base orso.


my own opinion is that the US should close most bases and only keep the needed ones.
as everyone knows (and no one can deny) that the US has a huge military bill wich is completely fecking up their finances (the US gov spends way more money then they are making) closing not needed bases would lower that as those bases have high costs.

Although the ones that dont want them bases closed are the small towns that those bases are near cause half of their commercial business exists thanks to those bases.

and about bad apples.
there r 3 kind of people: Smacktards, nice people and people i havent met yet.
sadly the nice people seem to be the minority i fear.

Point&Shoot wrote:

I think the Americans should keep their troops out of other countries...ALL of them.  Just in case the US thinks some country needs a change of leadership.  Not to mention the fact the US is so far in debt particularly due to military expenditures.  Maybe if they tended to their own first instead of meddling in other people's business their economy wouldn't be on the verge of collapse.

Wow I completely agree with a liberal Canadian.  Of course I still think the middle east needs some good ol' fashion carpet bombings from time to time, but no troops sent in.

afrocullions wrote:

you fuckers are asshats talkin shit for no reasson ... in fact you douches that commented didnt read yourself

in the past 4 years development aid gave ireland more than 2 billion dollars and almost 10 billion to sweden

fuckheads just hate US for no reason and refuse to accept the fact that the US has done alot of good for your country ..

http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp

Again Afrocullions proves he's a fucking moron. I read through the article. The article shows how much all of the developed nations give in ODA (overseas development aid). The 2bn you speak of is what Ireland has given to others in ODA, Sweden having given 10bn. It lists all of the countries who GIVE aid and how much they GIVE. You are a moron. You are so fucking unintelligent it's not funny. Have you got a degree? Well if you do the US needs to sort out it's universities pronto.

PS I can't believe what a moron you are.

PPS If the data in that link is correct then the USA appears to be the 22nd largest giver of ODA ... TO ITSELF (if you followed your warped logic). Moron.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-05-29 16:56:51)

I support the troops in other nations because of the ability to do strikes against a hostile country without sending a invasion fleet or flying a division or what ever over by a C5 or C130. Im not realy sure what kind of aid you are talking about.

yup i read the begining of the article didnt read the whole thing my mistake. still i read some more and it says the oda gave europe 2.5 billion.

we dont give the least in aid per person its gross national income = gdp. first thats only one organization the fact that this isnt usa's only foreign aid and doesnt include private donations 2nd its alot easier to give a slightly larger portion of your gdp when you know a country like usa will defend you and spend less on defense.  2003 usa gave 25 billion in foreign aid but 40 billion in private organzations.. per capita thats more than three times the EU. dont forget we rebuilt europe after ww2 giving billions of dollars... and dont give that that bs about rebuilding what we destroy we didnt start that war and russia sure as fuck didnt care about helping europe.

its ok tho i know theres allways gona be ungratefull douches like you but i know theres people there that arent total assholes. at the heart of it is a form of jealousy where you see a sole superpower making decisions around the world that dont involve you at all and you just dont feel important ..aww ill give you a hug.

hmm lets compare then how about germanys last war ? 10 million dead ? france ? 100k dead in indochina ?

thats what i love seems like the euro values 2k dead americans in favour of mantioning millions of dead euros ? wow you sure think were special

462nd NSP653 wrote:

At the risk of getting flamed myself, I'll post once and probably not check back. Too much arrogance and hostility on both sides.

Give when you can. Assist when asked. Protect when threatened.

If the European nations are not feeling a need for our prescence and the economic factors no longer necessitate our prescence... then close the bases and bring the troops home.  I'll support them while they are there, no matter what idiot WE elected... sent them over there.

If the need does arise and we're asked to help.... we will be there.  Not being a soldier or relief worker myself, I do what I can both domestically and in donations, simply because I've been fortunate enough in life to be able to.

Not all Americans are idiots. The vast majority are not. And most are as generous as anyone. In travelling the world, I've found that people are people.  They will give all when called upon and not bat an eye in doing so. That includes people from Europe, Asia, the Americas, et al.

It's too bad there's so many Americans like afrocullions and less like 462nd NSP653, then perhaps they wouldn't look like a bunch of jack-asses all the time.

yuck7777 wrote:

Seeing that a lot of European's are against America. Should America Close bases and stop aid to the EU or just lower the number of bases and aid?
Yes, I know not all countrys get aid. I'm talking about ones that do!!
And don't forget aid from other groups..Not just Gov.

I think you will find that every country is against America.

afrocullions wrote:

actually youll find that just about every country wants to be american

listening to our music watching our movies wearing our clothers eating our food using our slang and eventually moving here to get out of shitholes like austrailia

I'm sure we all want an american education. Especially in geography

afrocullions wrote:

actually youll find that just about every country wants to be american

listening to our music watching our movies wearing our clothers eating our food using our slang and eventually moving here to get out of shitholes like austrailia

Thank you. Mature, well articulated, facts only.. And nice that you used commas so it's easy to comprehend..

It seems that every country has its own share of people like you..