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Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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yyyymmdd or nothing.

All our documents are numbered and indexed and referenced from a database so its all retarded, the QA officer is just being a cunt.
Also she keeps changing things but not updating the procedures, so no-one knows what the fuck is going on and the QA Assistant is looking suicidal.

But we now have a QA Specialist to manage them both. Should be epic.
Epstein didn't kill himself
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+1,842|5526|USA

People like to poke fun at government bureaucrats for this kind of stuff but honestly I see more of it from the corporate types.

I guess for inside a database, it doesn't matter how you order it because the computer sorts it the same regardless. For me, mm for filenames and mmm for printouts (I hate trying to figure out month from day sometimes, "5-01 or 1-05?!").
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Our documents are numbered, there's no reason to put anything other than the number in the filename, and it screws up any hyperlinks.
Everything else is tracked by the database.
Epstein didn't kill himself
Larssen
Member
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As a government bureaucrat my worst administrative nightmares happened when I worked as a consultant in the private sector. From clients with godawful senseless archiving, to projects within our business being subjectively ordered depending on the manager, each using non descriptive filenames on documents seemingly randomly placed in different locations.

In contrast in govt my stuff is neatly ordered and we have a separate document/archiving system for official stuff with clear guidelines on uploads. Oh, and everyone can write. No more glaring argument, spelling and style errors that burned my eyes every day when dealing with business people.

Last edited by Larssen (2020-10-31 06:56:48)

unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+1,842|5526|USA

Dilbert_X wrote:

Our documents are numbered, there's no reason to put anything other than the number in the filename, and it screws up any hyperlinks.
Everything else is tracked by the database.
If I had to coach every boomer through seamlessly syncing up with a database I'd age 20 years. One of them is a grizzled veteran of facebook who spends breaks warring with conservatives in Fox comments, but they refuses to learn how to operate a remote controller. "I can never remember how to turn this damn player on/off!" Another resents learning anything new about computers because it's a "waste of time, I could be doing actual work instead." They also get angry (and unproductive while wasting time being angry, and a pain to be around) when they have no choice but to figure something out, and I have to gently guide them through it.

Another working in the field didn't have those issues, but refused to take instructions because "he was old enough to be this guy's grandpa!"

I just emphasize naming the files appropriately so I can more easily sift and sort through whatever random folder they get placed.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+1,842|5526|USA

Larssen wrote:

As a government bureaucrat my worst administrative nightmares happened when I worked as a consultant in the private sector. From clients with godawful senseless archiving, to projects within our business being subjectively ordered depending on the manager, each using non descriptive filenames on documents seemingly randomly placed in different locations.

In contrast in govt my stuff is neatly ordered and we have a separate document/archiving system for official stuff with clear guidelines on uploads. Oh, and everyone can write. No more glaring argument, spelling and style errors that burned my eyes every day when dealing with business people.
Welcome to my hell.
uziq
Member
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guys western civ is sliding into the abyss, gog and magog are at the gates, and we're talking about file-naming best practice.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+1,842|5526|USA

It becomes a concern when suddenly you need to dig through 15 years of documents.
uziq
Member
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a delicious irony of the 'first world problems' thread is that the first world actually has appreciably worse problems than the third world right now.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+1,842|5526|USA

I often think back to the irony of that ~2005 paper talking about how the US would handle a coronavirus pandemic very well compared to the rest of the world. We have the resources!
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,708|4860|eXtreme to the maX
Yeah anyway, I've spent the last six months digging through 20 yeas of files to try and figure out what a company was making and how.

1. Buy Company
2. Fire all staff
3.
4. Profit

A good number of the folders are named "Not this folder, use the other one!"

Also a while back a business unit was transferred over, the file and folder naming was so fucked up 30,000 files were lost, probably due to max path errors.
Also don't let mentally ill chinese people with little grasp of english decide on structure and syntax.
Epstein didn't kill himself
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,708|4860|eXtreme to the maX

Larssen wrote:

As a government bureaucrat my worst administrative nightmares happened when I worked as a consultant in the private sector. From clients with godawful senseless archiving, to projects within our business being subjectively ordered depending on the manager, each using non descriptive filenames on documents seemingly randomly placed in different locations.

In contrast in govt my stuff is neatly ordered and we have a separate document/archiving system for official stuff with clear guidelines on uploads. Oh, and everyone can write. No more glaring argument, spelling and style errors that burned my eyes every day when dealing with business people.
My father was in the foreign office, everyone used their own system for paper files, each time someone moved the incomer had to refile all their documents. Everyone was on a four year rotation.
Epstein didn't kill himself
Dauntless
Admin
+2,237|5496|London

Dilbert_X wrote:

Yeah anyway, I've spent the last six months digging through 20 yeas of files to try and figure out what a company was making and how.

1. Buy Company
2. Fire all staff
3.
4. Profit

A good number of the folders are named "Not this folder, use the other one!"

Also a while back a business unit was transferred over, the file and folder naming was so fucked up 30,000 files were lost, probably due to max path errors.
Also don't let mentally ill chinese people with little grasp of english decide on structure and syntax.
How did they lose 30,000 files because of naming? Didn't they have backups?
https://imgur.com/kXTNQ8D.png
Larssen
Member
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Larssen wrote:

As a government bureaucrat my worst administrative nightmares happened when I worked as a consultant in the private sector. From clients with godawful senseless archiving, to projects within our business being subjectively ordered depending on the manager, each using non descriptive filenames on documents seemingly randomly placed in different locations.

In contrast in govt my stuff is neatly ordered and we have a separate document/archiving system for official stuff with clear guidelines on uploads. Oh, and everyone can write. No more glaring argument, spelling and style errors that burned my eyes every day when dealing with business people.
My father was in the foreign office, everyone used their own system for paper files, each time someone moved the incomer had to refile all their documents. Everyone was on a four year rotation.
Eh well, I probably entered government some 50 years after your dad's retirement, we don't use physical documents anymore. The only moment a printer is needed is when someone needs an instruction/speaking notes for public appearances.

Rotations here have been changed to 5-7 years.

Last edited by Larssen (2020-11-01 10:28:54)

Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,708|4860|eXtreme to the maX

Dauntless wrote:

How did they lose 30,000 files because of naming? Didn't they have backups?
Moved files from one server to another via portable hard drive.

I'm guessing some folder paths were too long and the files got lost.
Epstein didn't kill himself
Dauntless
Admin
+2,237|5496|London

lol did they get a plumber in to do that? What a cowboy...
https://imgur.com/kXTNQ8D.png
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,708|4860|eXtreme to the maX
No, they got the mormon.
Epstein didn't kill himself
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,708|4860|eXtreme to the maX

Dilbert_X wrote:

My colleague really is leaving, his job has been advertised and the description doesn't cover half of what he does.

I saw him and his manager talking and going through all the projects which need to be delivered in the short term, with his manager getting paler and paler - never seen an Irishman go pale before. Hopefully he'll rape the company on consultancy work, they deserve it.
I had a chat with my colleague, it turns out he gave the company 2.5 months notice, so they could hire a replacement and there'd be time to train them up - 30+ years of accumulated knowledge in unique equipment and processes amounts to a black art you can't find in a textbook, plus the products themselves are not trivial to design and develop. He also agreed the advert doesn't cover half of what he does.

Buuut the bright spark who thinks he's in charge of everything butted in and advised, without any clue of what my colleague actually does, that he'd be easy to replace and having just failed to recruit a simple test technician he had loads of CVs on his desk and would be able to pick someone out no problem.
So the time has passed, the pile of CVs amounted to nothing, the job has just been advertised covering much less than is needed and he's leaving before anyone comes in, not that its very likely as there's probably no-one in the country who could make a start on it and if they do chances are they already have a better job.
He's been asked to stay on another few months to train whoever any replacement is but has told the company to get lost.

Meanwhile the company has managed to hire two more managers and a QA guy who is doing well enough to run a $150,000 mercedes.
Not sure what he's going to QA with two key business units going down the pan, should be fun to watch.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2020-11-04 03:09:19)

Epstein didn't kill himself
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
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I'm currently in an executive business review with one of our largest customers and I'm fucking sweating like a pig. I usually don't get stressed or anxious when presenting, but since this is a virtual meeting I think the lack of intimacy of being in a stuffy conference room is getting to me.

I legit slugged a beer in the first 10 mins just to ease my nerves. Fucking stupid
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,708|4860|eXtreme to the maX
Anxiety can hit you when its least expected, weird.
Epstein didn't kill himself
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
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Rookie move drinking a beer to calm your nerves. Everyone knows you are supposed to take a big line of cocaine in business deals.

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