Excluding people who are off their heads on industrial drugs, would you rather hire a hispanic lady or a black man?
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
Would the average company want to employ a nice, compliant black or an aggressive hispanic woman?Dilbert_X wrote:
Maybe people are poor because they're violent?
Who would the average company want to employ, a nice compliant hispanic woman or an aggressive black?
I would rather hire a woman regardless of race than a man. I am not afraid of any #MeToo shenanigans. In my experience as a gardener, I have found that young female plants are generally more compliant and harder working than young male plants. The young female plants will finish their photosynthesis quicker and better than the young male plants.Dilbert_X wrote:
Excluding people who are off their heads on industrial drugs, would you rather hire a hispanic lady or a black man?
i’ve never said anything about ‘promoting’ anyone’s culture. i am not invested in black culture. why would i be?Dilbert_X wrote:
No, uziq and Larssen think black culture should be promoted, I recommend they try experiencing it.
You're seriously going the 'no u' route here? You're literally talking fucking eugenics. Which has been thoroughly dismantled scientifically, logically and morally since the early 20th century and in particular since the 1950s. Not only is it illiterate, it is extremely hateful and divisive. You cling to a worldview that has no basis in reality and which if implemented would reconstitute a caste system based on race, and call me deluded?Dilbert_X wrote:
No, what you do is present whackadoodle theories as fact and dismiss the great wealth of actual evidence which doesn't fit with them.Larssen wrote:
there's no way I will ever let slide the argument that 'blacks are terrible/stupid people because look at Liberia' or 'muslims and islam are terrible because 9/11' to then segway into xenophobia and ethnonationalism.
Take a six month study tour of Lagos, or Chicago.
Report back with your results.
Dilbert_X wrote:
Maybe people are poor because they're violent?
Who would the average company want to employ, a nice compliant hispanic woman or an aggressive black?
Every race on earth currently practices eugenics, except white people aren't allowed to. Doesn't that seem racist?Larssen wrote:
You're seriously going the 'no u' route here? You're literally talking fucking eugenics. Which has been thoroughly dismantled scientifically, logically and morally since the early 20th century and in particular since the 1950s. Not only is it illiterate, it is extremely hateful and divisive. You cling to a worldview that has no basis in reality and which if implemented would reconstitute a caste system based on race, and call me deluded?
I say it does.There is no inherent quality related to race that makes people violent. There is no genetic string in black people that makes them tribal or dumb. In referencing the 'wealth of akshual evidence', you're only talking about your personal imagination. Biology doesn't support your claims, history doesn't support your claims, sociology doesn't support them.
So you consider the countries on our planet with the most repressive governments or intense civil wars/conflicts an example to follow, Dilbert? It's a general rule anywhere in the world that a combination of great economic & political inequality between identity groups is a fantastic recipe for increasing social upheaval, not to mention human rights violations. Look to China, look to Rwanda, the history of Bosnia, Russia/Chechnya, even Saudi Arabia or India - do any of those countries strike you as places of great harmony? Does government sanctioned discrimination of others based on race, tribe and religion increase the internal cohesion in a country?Dilbert_X wrote:
Every race on earth currently practices eugenics, except white people aren't allowed to. Doesn't that seem racist?Larssen wrote:
You're seriously going the 'no u' route here? You're literally talking fucking eugenics. Which has been thoroughly dismantled scientifically, logically and morally since the early 20th century and in particular since the 1950s. Not only is it illiterate, it is extremely hateful and divisive. You cling to a worldview that has no basis in reality and which if implemented would reconstitute a caste system based on race, and call me deluded?I say it does.There is no inherent quality related to race that makes people violent. There is no genetic string in black people that makes them tribal or dumb. In referencing the 'wealth of akshual evidence', you're only talking about your personal imagination. Biology doesn't support your claims, history doesn't support your claims, sociology doesn't support them.
That's not even yet touching on arguments in history and sociology. It may shock you, but for most of recorded human history the people of mesopotamia and north africa, the latter of which included many black people, were socially, politically, economically and scientifically more advanced than Europe. Where does that leave the notion of the innate superiority of white people? Why couldn't they be dominant the first 6000 years of our history, given that they're apparently inherently better?Scientific racism, sometimes termed biological racism, is the pseudoscientific belief that empirical evidence exists to support or justify racism (racial discrimination), racial inferiority, or racial superiority.[1][2][3][4] Historically, scientific racism received credence throughout the scientific community, but it is no longer considered scientific.[2][3] Dividing humankind into biologically distinct groups is sometimes called racialism or race realism by its proponents. Modern scientific consensus rejects this view as being irreconcilable with modern genetic research.[5]:360
Last edited by Larssen (2020-10-25 04:46:24)
That reminds me, I really ought to get on and spend some money, my WA1500 guns are holding me back.uziq wrote:
iving at home and collecting target pistols
What is this even supposed to mean? Was colonialism Europe 'trying to pull up' Africa? Are you dense? These people have barely been allowed to re-establish their societies and you already shit all over them. The central point however is that there is no scientific basis for racism and your appeal to discriminate against black people is completely based on your subjective racist ideas.Dilbert_X wrote:
The people of europe have moved on and left the people of Africa behind. Trying to pull them up has not worked, letting us be dragged down by them is good for no-one.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-hampshire-54687379Seven people were detained when military forces stormed a tanker suspected to have been hijacked off the Isle of Wight.
Sixteen members of the Special Boat Service (SBS) ended a 10-hour standoff which started when stowaways on board the Liberian-registered Nave Andromeda reportedly became violent.
The stowaways, believed to be Nigerians seeking UK asylum, were handed over to Hampshire Police on Sunday night.
The 22 crew members were found safe.
BBC defence correspondent Jonathan Beale said British forces descended on to the vessel by rope from four Royal Navy helicopters after nightfall.
"The seven stowaways - believed to be Nigerians seeking asylum in the UK - were detained and handed over to Hampshire Police," he said.
In December 2018, four stowaways were detained after they ran amok on a container ship in the Thames Estuary.
The men, from Nigeria and Liberia, waved metal poles and threw faeces and urine after being found hiding on the Grande Tema
Last edited by Dilbert_X (2020-10-26 01:49:39)
?Larssen wrote:
These people are obviously trafficked
Assess them and ship them back if they're from a safe country?So when or if someone arrives through trafficking and applies for asylum, what do you propose should happen?
Change the national laws and withdraw from the international ones?Without of course flagantry violating national & international law. That's not a realistic option I'm afraid, as the courts will block your actions. If you want to appeal the laws, that will be the start of a convoluted process that often takes 5+ years. May even be more complicated than that if you want to appeal constitutional stuff. What do you do in the meantime?
Lock them up until they remember where they put their passport?You can't really put them on a plane and fly them back if they don't have their passports. Just as you can't enter/fly into the UK without your citizenship documentation, neither can they fly to their countries of origin. Same goes for shipping them to a foreign harbour.
Probably. Human trafficking is an illegal business.Dilbert_X wrote:
?Larssen wrote:
These people are obviously trafficked
By 'trafficked' do you mean they bought a ticket to the UK?
Alright so they'll have to go to an asylum shelter and be subjected to our legal assessments.Assess them and ship them back if they're from a safe country?
Possible, but not an immediate solution. Changing laws isn't done overnight. You may also want to assess if withdrawing from international agreements have any negative consequences.Change the national laws and withdraw from the international ones?
They don't have passports because these are usually destroyed during trafficking. If the people are from liberia or nigeria, chances are they never even had passports. So they'll have to somehow obtain birth certificates online via contacts in the country of origin, have these sent to the authorities to assess, to then receive a new passport at the embassy in our countries. This can take many months, up to a year.Lock them up until they remember where they put their passport?
Brexit was driven by fairy tales and childish tantrums.Brexit was in very large part driven by the average person being fed up with scumbags like this gaming the system to get themselves a tax-payer funded life in the UK - with the EU cheering them on and helping them on their way.
Great, I don't care.Larssen wrote:
They don't have passports because these are usually destroyed during trafficking. If the people are from liberia or nigeria, chances are they never even had passports. So they'll have to somehow obtain birth certificates online via contacts in the country of origin, have these sent to the authorities to assess, to then receive a new passport at the embassy in our countries. This can take many months, up to a year.
In the most difficult process they'll have to describe their place of birth to be crosschecked with maps and have a linguistic analysis to determine their precise accent. This too takes a very long time.
At the ministerial level, yes, for the average person it was mostly about immigration.Brexit was driven by fairy tales and childish tantrums.