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uziq
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uziq
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 … s-domicile

britain's richest man and high-profile brexiter officially changes tax domicile to (tax-free) monaco.

His decision to quit Britain came soon after he was knighted by the Queen for “services to business and investment”, and the UK voted to leave the European Union.

Ratcliffe, the founder and chief executive of petrochemicals company Ineos, was an ardent supporter of the vote leave campaign, declaring that the UK would thrive without red tape from Brussels.
uziq
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54316316

switzerland firmly rejects referendum proposal to 'end free movement with EU'.

but wait, i thought 'the people' all over the world were tired of this sort of thing? and elites were getting their comeuppance, etc? i thought people were racist by nature? it doesn't make any sense!!!
Larssen
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For most continental countries it isn't migration within the EU which is perceived as a problem. Consistently most of the anti migration rhetoric has been directed against non-western non-european people.
uziq
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not the case in land-locked alpine switzerland, for obvious reasons. the vote was explicitly about economic immigrants and europeans moving there to work. the swiss people's party's messaging was concerned with the EU qua the EU, not refugees and africans.

Thomas Aeschi of the SVP believes abandoning free movement will bring all sorts of advantages, from "being able to select the highest qualified immigrants" to "less land speculation, lower house prices, and lower rents".

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Dilbert_X
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Larssen wrote:

For most continental countries it isn't migration within the EU which is perceived as a problem. Consistently most of the anti migration rhetoric has been directed against non-western non-european people.
Thats the problem, Greece and Italy as good socialists let them, then send them on to northern Europe.
Epstein didn't kill himself
uziq
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neither greece nor italy have socialist governments. both have centre-right governments at present, and both have rising nationalist/populist fringes.

the northern european scandinavian states are far more 'socialist' than greece and italy. which is probably why most refugees want, by choice, to end up in a destination like norway (or even the UK). there is no 'sending them on' by unscrupulous socialists in the south.



what sort of strange and confusing world do you live in? i think it's pretty reasonable that the southern states dealing with constant mediterranean crossings appeal to the northern states for help in shouldering the cost/burden.

also, again, none of the rhetoric in the recent swiss referendum was about undocumented refugees from north africa/the levant. it was about documented EU workers. switzerland's job and property market are very crammed; it's not a big place. the discussion was about business competition and (expensive) home ownership. i don't think a syrian family is really relevant to that discussion.
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You guys were arguing about Yugoslavia before? I am watching a World War 2 documentary series. We are at the point in history where the Serbian nationalist resistance to the Axis occupation begin to become collaborators. They end the war as an organization fighting alongside the German military against Tito's partisans. Never knew the Serbians did that during the war.

Serbian nationalism in the 20th century was never been good? Probably shouldn't let them into the E.U. or NATO. They will be the only ones to side with Russia in World War 3.
uziq
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yugoslavia is incredibly complicated. the croats were of course the main nazi collaborators in that particular hodgepodge. the serbs and croats have historical enmity specifically because of the catholic-nazism of the croats, directed at the serbs. lots of ethnic cleansing.

the circumstances of the great war kicking off are also incredibly complicated. i am reading a very good book at the moment on the origins of nationalism. but to understand that particular shitfuck you'd really have to read way back into the history of the austro-hungarian empire, the hapsburg dynasty, etc.
unnamednewbie13
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A History of Eastern Europe
Vejas Gabriel Liulevicius
https://www.thegreatcoursesplus.com/a-h … ern-europe

I've got this on my to-do list. Granted it covers a lot in a short period, but is still probably going to be interesting.

I've been getting the Great Courses catalog for years, I guess it just slips my mind that they have a premium service where you can stream whatever. Usually, I just get the DVD/CD with transcripts or companion texts. Maybe I'll give this a shot and save some shelf space.
SuperJail Warden
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Boris Johnson vs historian Mary Beard on the superiority of Greek vs Roman culture. I feel like comparing this man to Trump is really unfair to BoJo. I cannot see Trump quoting Greek and holding a friendly debate.
uziq
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not a good debate and he can't hold a candle to mary beard for learning.

boris johnson was president of the oxford union, a student union debating society and a popularity contest for those who want to be future prime ministers. he has a good ability to swot up for the exam, so to speak, and to titillate a crowd. he is not an academic or a classicist.

who actually compares BoJo to trump anyway? he has a host of criticisms but i don't see anyone here in the UK press likening him to trump.
SuperJail Warden
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Our media often refers to him as a Donald Trump like person or their Trump.
uziq
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perhaps in the sense that both rode waves of populism, but that's about it. certainly nobody rallied behind BoJo like they do around trump. he was chosen as the least-worst option by a party committee, not by a giant election. the role fell into his lap because he's been quietly conniving for it for the last 15-20 years.

if there was no brexit, the oppportunistic BoJo government wouldn't exist. and even then, it's been a comedy of errors and singular failures, parliamentary impasses, and conservative-party hijinks that meant we did end up with BoJo. the election he 'won' was effectively a proxy re-vote on a single issue, brexit, which has been attested to by BoJo's vague lack of any platform. he makes a few promises and declarations every now and then and then quietly under-delivers or rescinds on them. hey, ho.

comparing the current republican party to the brexit-hardliner tories would probably be instructive but i can't be bothered.

the media here views trump almost universally with derision and contempt, so suffice to say we do not draw BoJo-Trump comparisons unless to make the heaviest sort of criticism.

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unnamednewbie13
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I think they're both floppy-haired and dumpy looking.
uziq
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perry anderson has finally turned his synoptic, paradigmatic style towards ... the UK. love it or hate it, it's definitely a heady vintage of classic perry anderson.

https://newleftreview.org/issues/II125/ … rpetua.pdf

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