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no, that's called 'tagging', and is part of graffiti subculture.

graffito/graffiti is an italian term, by the way. they were found in ancient rome. damn blacks ruining western civilization!



you might be surprised to learn that ancient rome, as well as athens before it, were colourful places, not in austere and uniform colours. they looked a lot more like your 'horrible and defaced black notting hill' than you think. who would have guessed, human beings like colour!

Last edited by uziq (2020-07-16 04:56:33)

you are absolutely historically illiterate. graffiti and marking of the environment have been a thing in, well, every single age of civilization.

it even appears in churches and religious structures of the middle ages. talk about 'not being tolerated'!



or how about the elizabethan era, that high-point of english civilization, our crowning glory and greatest fruition? the era of shakespeare!

https://www.jstor.org/stable/23118233?seq=1

The act of, and art of, sgraffiato in Elizabethan England was about memory-making and “materializing thought” (44).

'tribal marking', lmao. human beings like to inscribe things and decorate things, to personalize their environment. it's nothing new -- as old as ice age cave dwellings, in fact. you could even argue that it's one of the first things that really distinguishes us as a species, this desire to express and record our experience, even our handprint or our name. a very interesting topic, regardless, and something you simply don't have the horsepower to think about.

can you actually make a fucking point with all this grumbling about graffiti? how does it discredit BLM in any way? now we have established that it has been with us, and by 'us' i mean white people, your people, for several thousand years.

Last edited by uziq (2020-07-16 05:06:57)

imagine being at a dilbert protest with people who get sniffy about spraypaint, and think painting buildings is a 'savage' activity.

LMAO who are these people.

it's like dilbert actually hasn't been in europe or the UK in his entire life. anyone who goes to an 'old' city and looks at old alleyways, or goes along old churchyards or park walls, will find things like this:



inscriptions on ancient city walls, gates/gatehouses, public latrines, park walls, churchyards, etc. graffiti!

Last edited by uziq (2020-07-16 05:20:44)

we are discussing people's lives being snuffed out and systematic oppression. having to clean monuments for the 13th time that year or clean up a public square is not really a big problem. no surprises that dilbert gets more upset about graffiti than about black lives not mattering.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Pretty sure I've made this exact point once or more on this thread in pages past. It's easier to fix a statue than resurrect the dead.

I think a dead abolitionist watching from some afterlife might possibly be more angry at ongoing inequality than having their statue caught in the crossfire. Other figures who never wanted statues in the first place might finally be able to rest in peace now that they're at the bottom of a river.

Yeah just destroy everything, doesn't matter if its right or wrong, the important thing is people are expressing themselves.

Dilbert_X wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Pretty sure I've made this exact point once or more on this thread in pages past. It's easier to fix a statue than resurrect the dead.

I think a dead abolitionist watching from some afterlife might possibly be more angry at ongoing inequality than having their statue caught in the crossfire. Other figures who never wanted statues in the first place might finally be able to rest in peace now that they're at the bottom of a river.

Yeah just destroy everything, doesn't matter if its right or wrong, the important thing is people are expressing themselves.

nothing is being destroyed? statues are being pulled down, sure, to be erected in a museum. statues get moved from public feature to museum exhibition all the time. perhaps not under such heated circumstances, but it’s very much part of ‘history formation’. not every value or figure or epoch suits the attitudes of the public, and it’s entirely normal to have these conversations.

huge vested interests have maintained the south and its idols for a very long time. they have been winning the argument. if majority opinion turns against that and their arguments are no longer tenable — well, isn’t that democracy in action?

what, exactly, do you think society is 'made' of, if not it's people? do you seriously think the fabric of civilization is stitched together by a few men on horses sitting in city parks? a society dedicated exclusively to statues is called a mausoleum. what is being 'destroyed' in the taking of lives with impunity by a society's police? isn't that damaging to the fabric of society? what is being 'destroyed' when a stone plinth has paint sprayed on it?

it seems you want to live in a society dedicated to the preservation and respect of property, first and foremost, and human lives and concerns second. a strange sort of society. you don't have to look far in history to see which sort of societies are overly concerned with monolithic public culture and monumentalism.

as for graffiti, safely debunked. doesn’t damage anything and people have been expressing themselves in that way for literally thousands of years. you are just clueless, as per usual. ‘not tolerated since the roman empire’ hahahahahah. yes and rome fell because it allowed such corruption cases amirite ??

Last edited by uziq (2020-07-16 08:21:17)

But who's trying to "normalize" it here.

It shouldn't be so difficult to distinguish wanton destruction from paint vandalism from permitted art. Do you lose your head whenever you see a dirty limerick penned on a restroom stall?

Barbarians at the gates! The fall of western civilization!!

just so there’s no ambiguity here, i was totally not in support of the students smashing up tory party HQ, just as i am not in support of looting. that should seem obvious. i mentioned it above because you seem to think BLM is dismissible because of the actions of a few fringe elements in the initial days of erupting protest. would you discredit any student criticism of the tuition fees system because of what happened at mill bank HQ? i think not.

what i do think is that these are sadly inevitable in certain scenarios: such as, yes, rioting that breaks out during summer heatwaves, during times of unusual economic disruption, during times of war or stress, etc. it doesn't forgive them, let alone encourage them, but it acknowledges that there is always some irrational and emotive overflow to these things. legislation and peaceful protest/campaigning have been the norm for 60+ years, however, and you seem unwilling to engage with this discourse at all. instead it's all 'rioters' and 'people burning stuff' to you, which is convenient.

and yes the goths sacking rome had everything to do with roman citizen’s graffitiing walls. i really think you need to read more history before you keep gobbing up these terrible analogies. plus, as has been easily shown, graffiti didn’t go away with rome and has in fact been with us for as long as there have been built-up environments. perhaps england has declined since elizabeth’s day because of tagging? wow !!!

Last edited by uziq (2020-07-17 02:04:52)

it has only been 'hijacked' in the willingly fooled minds of people such as yourself. 'hijacked' in the eyes of frothing-mouthed right-wing pundits. the rest of the world's media have been covering the BLM protests exactly for what they are, which is an unprecedented, international-scale protest that lasted for 2 months.

i can't even be bothered to interact with someone who still sees 'black lives matter' as some personal affront. the logic of the statement is very plain, plain enough in fact for an illiterate chinese coolie to appreciate. it's incredible that you are so conveniently obtuse on so many points ... which all align as painting you as a racist.

https://nativenewsonline.net/currents/i … ves-matter
american indians and alaska natives voice solidarity with BLM.

https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/in … s-blm-fund
indigenous artists stand with BLM.

https://hiplatina.com/latinos-for-black-lives-matter/
latinos across the country show support for BLM.

isn't it amazing that all these groups you cynically 'defend' for the sake of their blessed, oppressed souls (for which you have never done fuck all in your entire life) are actually pro-BLM?

Last edited by uziq (2020-07-17 03:01:34)

Thats great and all but the BLM crowd are only out for themselves, not for the other groups.

If they were they'd be fine with 'all lives matter'

because there's nothing 'brutal' about death-by-cop and nothing brutalizing about 300 years of slavery, is there?

unfortunately the trademark on 'all lives matter' was taken out by a bunch of balding smug white racists, so it's out of the question. too bad.

Selective enforcement, threats of jail over chalk art specifically related to BLM:

Writing 'Black Lives Matter' in Chalk Now Illegal in City of Selah
https://www.newsweek.com/writing-black- … ah-1518626

Karen calls cops on 9-year-old's BLM chalk art:

Ohio Girl Writes 'Black Lives Matter' in Chalk, Neighbor Calls Police
https://www.newsweek.com/neighbor-calle … er-1512438

From Selah article:

Chalk art is often used as a form of activism in the U.S. In San Diego, a man was charged with 13 counts of misdemeanor vandalism in 2013 for his chalk messages in front of three banks, but he was found not-guilty on all counts. If found guilty he could have faced 13 years in prison and be fined more than $10,000. Former Mayor of San Diego Bob Filner called it a "nonsense prosecution."

In my defense, he really does sound a bit like some of the guileless ALM proponents stateside who bought into the troll with no critical thought. "Oh yeah, that makes sense. All lives do matter! I guess the BLM movement is racist."