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Dilbert_X wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Who is liable when someone skids on an unapproved surface and kills someone?

I think the simplest answer is that the police would probably determine that the person who skidded is at fault for driving too fast in unsafe conditions

Police don't 'determine' anything, the courts do that.

If I spread grease on a road and someone skids who is liable?

If I paint a road with gloss paint and someone skids who is liable?

My point is that if you skid and bump into someone in traffic, the police could ticket you for reckless driving. If you want to challenge that in court, fine.

I'm not completely sure why you've picked this hill to fight on. I've already said that the painted surface could present a liability. It's a perfectly reasonable concern, which is why I pointed it out in the first place.

If these murals are put into place, effort needs to be taken to ensure that it's a safe surface. For paint, this could involve mixing in sand as is sometimes done on lots that still use full-bay handicap blue, or the zebra-style barred crosswalks.

Dilbert_X wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Elsewhere, these murals are being vandalized. At the very least it's been making for interesting social news.

California pair charged with hate crime after Black Lives Matter mural cover-up: authorities
https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-p … uthorities

etc.

Comments are lol.

If you vandalise vandalism is it really vandalism?

The mural in question had a city permit.

And to address your point, if you're caught "tagging over someone else's unsanctioned graffiti," that's probably not going to save you from getting vandalism and/or possession of tools for vandalism.

A Cop Allegedly Shot And Killed A Fellow Officer After Threatening To Shoot Protesters (7/12)
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/st … ing-fellow
Calvin "Nick" Salyers is accused of killing his colleague, Scott Hutton, through his front door after Hutton stopped by his home to pick up a patrol car.

An Arkansas police officer who allegedly told a colleague that he would shoot any protesters who came to his door was charged with manslaughter in the fatal shooting of a fellow officer who knocked on his door in June.

When the police brutality protests in Minneapolis began earlier this year, the accused officer, Calvin "Nick" Salyers, told a colleague that he would "shoot through the door" at any protesters who came to his residence, according to court documents.

On Wednesday, Salyers, 33, was charged with manslaughter for allegedly shooting and killing his fellow officer, 36-year-old Scott Hutton, through the door of Salyers' residence on June 3.

No comment.

how often have riots and burning taken place? it has been 6 weeks of peaceful protest and you're still conflating BLM with rioters. it is the very lowest and most idiotic ploy.

OMG these BLM radicals are going around spray-painting whatever buildings they like! it's an outrage!





can you believe these people pour paint where they like? except, um, when the city officially signs off on it, and it is approved, and accepted as a public mural/work of art.



did anyone sign off and approve of this wanton destruction of property?

these palestinians should really stop burning things and begin to show more respect for their environment -- maybe then people would listen to their silly and selfish demands.



dilbert: 'i am NOT anti-semitic, i genuinely support palestinians and am motivated by the plight of the oppressed everywhere -- except blacks, muslims, trans, abos ....'

Last edited by uziq (2020-07-16 02:35:22)

Um, if someone builds a wall on your land I think you have the right to do what you want with it.

um, if yet another of your community is summarily executed in the street, broadcast on camera to the nation, by a police officer, i think you have the right to express your shock, indignation and rage. which is what causes riots and looting, in the short term.

and you clearly weren't in london during the student tuition fees protests, in which the headquarters of the conservative party were trashed, looted, set on fire, and had things thrown from its roof (my housemate was arrested and charged).



but, yeah, spraypaint that can be removed, and routinely is removed, by councils within a day's worth of high-pressure jetting is REALLY BAD!

Last edited by uziq (2020-07-16 02:49:27)

just like 99.99% of BLM protests, then?

Last edited by uziq (2020-07-16 03:03:01)

pretty sure the plinths at trafalgar square have been graffitid at every single protest, basically ever. why are you singling out spraypaint as some heinous crime, anyway?

when were you protesting, 1870?

Last edited by uziq (2020-07-16 03:10:28)

LOL OK. well a good point was made here today. totally harmless graffiti should be stopped and discredits all social movements.

dilbert, city centres are routinely left in worse states by public gatherings and parties. have you seen london centre after a world cup football match? after notting hill?



i guess those people all hate their country and forfeit any right to, erm, basic civil rights.

get a new angle mate, this one is very, very bad.

Last edited by uziq (2020-07-16 03:29:38)

you clearly haven't been to london since about 1975 if you really think notting hill is a 'they, the blacks' thing. it is mostly white people with names like rupert and camilla practicing their twerking.

the giveaway is the huge number of white people in the picture you posted

and graffiti is a sign of pride of place in lots of places. bristol is very notable for it.













it's frankly fucking HILARIOUS that you're shocked and appalled by graffiti in 2020.

Last edited by uziq (2020-07-16 03:38:01)

it isn't all black-related? the examples i chose are civil rights-related graffiti, which is what we're discussing? and there are several large murals in bristol commemorating, erm, the civil rights struggle? such as the bristol bus strikes, basically a british rosa parks moment?

you do know the most famous graffiti artist in the world is from bristol, and is white, right? banksy even does pieces for your palestinians!

trashing your environment with graffiti must be a black thing.









hey, dilbert! you're stupid!

Last edited by uziq (2020-07-16 03:44:14)

it's almost like you'd have a point if it weren't for the fact that the most famous graffiti artists in history have been white, predominantly english and/or american, and anglo-saxon. oops!

guess your little crusade about graffiti is going to have to regroup itself and try and find a point.

graffiti as a scene has a history going way back in new york, and it was as white, or latino, as it was ever 'black'. most of the names you will never have heard of, but yes, notably white anglo-saxons took it into the 'mainstream', into art galleries, into worldwide merchandise and fame.





you even trying to portray it as some degraded, defiling activity of 'races that don't respect society' is just ridiculous.

and yes, banksy is notably white, and does 'graffiti', not council-approved murals. several of his most recent pieces have been removed and cleaned-up as such. at such a cost to the taxpayer, tch tch!

you are clueless. get a new point please.

Last edited by uziq (2020-07-16 04:44:45)