BF2S Forums Race relations thread

Dilbert_X wrote:

Well he did turn around and discharge a taser at them while running away.
Maybe he was going to turn around again and take a shot at them.
Tricky heat of the moment decision after they were grappling in the dark.

i think the cops who stood near a memorial and sent gurning and laughing photos of themselves in chokeholds, to an officer recently involved in the chokehold slaying, for the purposes of ‘cheering them up’ (their claim), had ample enough opportunity to think about what they were doing.

maybe they would have had a realisation that it wasn’t quite the most tasteful or appropriate thing to do if black lives mattered to them, and it wasn’t all a joke.

i guess a cop could be doing a roman heil hitler salute next to a burning cross, posting it on a KKK group, that you and hollis would argue there’s ‘no evidence whatsoever’ for their intent, that the officer was merely waving and calling out to a friend, it wasn’t clearly a hitler salute; and they posted it on multiple facebook groups, a local militia as well as the KKK ...

Last edited by uziq (2020-07-06 02:38:29)

it was a posed photo taken next to a memorial. it wasn’t spontaneous. why would three officers clown around in such a conspicuous way? why would they use a chokehold pose to ‘cheer someone up’? why would certain individuals respond with laughter?

these people aren’t amoebas and you do yourself no favour with the ‘who, me?’ schtick. you’re not stupid either. you would accuse a black persons of holding x views and being y sort of punk based on much scanter evidence.

GREAT comparison, conflating soldiers on the battlefield killing the declared enemies of the state with ... civilian police gloating near the memorial of a slain 23-year-old innocent citizen.

uziq: I like taking a drugs despite it being a serious crime with widespread consequences for innocent people caught up in the drugs trade, I don't care

also uziq: an ambiguous photo is the worst thing ever those guys should be locked up

confusing the roles and ethos of an army at war with a civilian police force is absolutely the root of your fucking problem.

which other emergency services are afforded such a cavalier attitude to the deaths of civilians? do you see the same culture in paramedics/EMTs, firefighters, coast guard and so on? why is it only the police who have this arrogant, brash, bellicose attitude towards the civilians they kill rather than protect?

taking drugs is not a serious crime, i'm sorry. huge numbers of people do it, from all walks of life, including large swathes of the politicians who tut-tut about it. holding me responsible for drug cartels in mexico is a bit more diffuse and tenuous than police standing at a memorial. please reach harder 90% of the drugs i take of my own discretion and in the privacy of my own home are not even related to drug cartels or organised gangs.

i also only said it was right that they lost their job, i never said any crime was committed at all.

Its a blokey team black humour thing, probably not going to change, the only thing is they'll stop using social media.

also it wasn't posted on any social media, it was reported by a concerned colleague, who clearly had a conscience. really make u think doesn't it? it's amazing you'll talk about how the police need to be 'started over' in one post, claiming the culture is irretrievably broken, and then in the next you'll say "too bad they're being insensitive over the death of black folks, it's probably not going to change". i WONDER what the change is?

Last edited by uziq (2020-07-06 03:38:11)

7 years is the maximum sentencing tariff. you don’t need me to explain to you the basic legal system in the UK, and just how many repeat offences, or the scale of the crime, or the number of aggravating factors, for e.g., that you need to get the maximum term.

the fact that the first and second most important politicians in the country, that is, the prime minister and the chancellor of the duchy of goveland, can openly admit to having taken cocaine without a major police investigation, should tell you all you need to know about ‘the severity of consuming class A’ drugs.

all of which, again, is very, very far away in causation and influence from mexican drug cartels. you clearly don’t know much about the political situation in mexico if you think the cartels are going to go away or become less violent when westerners stop insufflating one of their several lines of enterprise. speaking of which, don’t you buy hookers dilbert?

gallows and black humour are things, yes, and people can be expected to be fired for them in the wrong or distasteful circumstances. apply some common sense, dilbert. a doctor telling an anonymous anecdote in a pub for light relief is a little bit different from police sharing prank photos over a slaying. doctors don’t put patients in lethal chokeholds. it’s rather against the hippocratic oath, don’t you think?

Last edited by uziq (2020-07-06 04:25:41)

cocaine comes from andean south america, not mexico. it has many routes across the atlantic, not all of them concerning violent mexican cartels in central america.

even then, it's one of several types of income for them -- human trafficking and prostitution being others.

i wonder where all those prostitutes come from you use in australia? i'm sure you've never given money into giant human misery-machines or to organised crime.

sure thing bozo. we all know prostitution is a completely legit and well-regulated legal enterprise, and all those immigrant ladies working so very very hard in massage parlours are just avid entrepreneurs!

Last edited by uziq (2020-07-06 04:39:59)

decriminalisation of the sex trade does not reduce harm to women/sex workers, and definitely does not remove organised gangs from the picture. reframing something as an 'occupational hazard' rather than an aspect of criminality doesn't make its violent or unsavoury aspects go away. too bad, you contribute to human misery for the sake of satisfying your vices. get off the soapbox.

except drugs can be produced in laboratories and grown without inflicting physical or sexual violence on another human being. wow you are smart!

great anecdotes, m80. i know a drug dealer who's a part-time comedian and really the most wonderful bloke, etc.

i guess it's going to have to be a tie-draw.

uziq wrote:

great anecdotes, m80. i know a drug dealer who's a part-time comedian and really the most wonderful bloke, etc.

i guess it's going to have to be a tie-draw.

What are you saying? Escorts are bad people? They really do have the funniest stories.
The upshot was the police told the guy he should pay up or be charged with theft, probably not the result he was expecting.

Another girl took a holiday to Mexico and was abducted by traffickers, she finished up as a mistress to a cocaine baron which apparently is "really boring".

She had a teaching degree.