BF2S Forums Pandemic thread

SuperJail Warden wrote:

uziq wrote:

Jay wrote:

You clearly have no idea how American government works or how delegation of power works. Not everything emanates from Washington DC.

Each school district is independent. They have their own taxation and their own contracts with the teachers union. The State provides curriculum requirements but does not have day-to-day oversight of school districts unless they have been taken over due to corruption/incompetence etc. There is no global contract between the State and the teachers union. All the State and Federal governments can do is provide guidelines.

yes, but don't they take direction from some supernumerary public health or federal authority when it comes to, i don't know, the basic safety of their students?

or does every school district invent its own health-and-safety regulations, too? does every school define its own standards of being in loco parentis?

Every state has their own Department of Education while the Federal Government has a Department of Education too. State departments of education do more than just tell schools what to teach. They come up with the licensing, food, health, safety and other standards and enforce them. They also put up money for extra programs. The state DOE can take away your accreditation if you don't follow them.

Jay wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Jay, did anybody make fun of you for your young children jumping into your conference calls? "Fucking embarrassing," as you put it, seems pretty cold-hearted to me.

You'd figure your colleagues and clients or whoever would understand that there's a pandemic and that people working from home, where their families live, are going to be interrupted by children. Who were you on a conference call with? Ebenezer Scrooge? Did someone tell you to go hang them by their toes in the garage?

You've got a sizable-looking house on a decent lot for a suburb. You even found time to build a deck, though I don't know what became of that project. Must be really struggling for elbow room.

Everyone was understanding, of course. When you're running a call with 50 people on it and you need to go mute halfway through a sentence and come back several minutes later it is professionally embarrassing no matter how understanding everyone is.

uziq wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

uziq wrote:

yes, but don't they take direction from some supernumerary public health or federal authority when it comes to, i don't know, the basic safety of their students?

or does every school district invent its own health-and-safety regulations, too? does every school define its own standards of being in loco parentis?

Every state has their own Department of Education while the Federal Government has a Department of Education too. State departments of education do more than just tell schools what to teach. They come up with the licensing, food, health, safety and other standards and enforce them. They also put up money for extra programs. The state DOE can take away your accreditation if you don't follow them.

yep, makes sense. i thought as much. so it makes sense that teachers would raise concerns and complaint if planning and response from those departments wasn't exactly adequate.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Jay wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Jay, did anybody make fun of you for your young children jumping into your conference calls? "Fucking embarrassing," as you put it, seems pretty cold-hearted to me.

You'd figure your colleagues and clients or whoever would understand that there's a pandemic and that people working from home, where their families live, are going to be interrupted by children. Who were you on a conference call with? Ebenezer Scrooge? Did someone tell you to go hang them by their toes in the garage?

You've got a sizable-looking house on a decent lot for a suburb. You even found time to build a deck, though I don't know what became of that project. Must be really struggling for elbow room.

Everyone was understanding, of course. When you're running a call with 50 people on it and you need to go mute halfway through a sentence and come back several minutes later it is professionally embarrassing no matter how understanding everyone is.

Then even in normal circumstances, I don't think anyone there would blame you for your kids barging into a conference call in your (and their) home. It might even endear you to some of the more family-minded.

But we're living in extraordinary times right now. I think maybe you're overreacting a bit by internally spinning some negative impact to your reputation.

e: Additional evidence that you are an overreactor sprung up earlier in this thread with you cussing us all out, telling me to die in a fire (among other things), and bailing for a week.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Jay wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Then even in normal circumstances, I don't think anyone there would blame you for your kids barging into a conference call in your (and their) home. It might even endear you to some of the more family-minded.

But we're living in extraordinary times right now. I think maybe you're overreacting a bit by internally spinning some negative impact to your reputation.

e: Additional evidence that you are an overreactor sprung up earlier in this thread with you cussing us all out, telling me to die in a fire (among other things), and bailing for a week.

My reputation is the least of my concerns. I was concerned with the mood, behavioral and personality changes my kids were experiencing. Kids need a lot of social time with other kids. It wasn't just my kids having issues either. Every other parent I talked to was seeing the same problems. Heaven help the parents of only-children too; they instantly became their kids entire focus. At least my kids have each other to play with.

What do you think will be the mental health and personality effects on a child when people they know get sick and drop dead from COVID?

Jay wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Jay wrote:

My reputation is the least of my concerns. I was concerned with the mood, behavioral and personality changes my kids were experiencing. Kids need a lot of social time with other kids. It wasn't just my kids having issues either. Every other parent I talked to was seeing the same problems. Heaven help the parents of only-children too; they instantly became their kids entire focus. At least my kids have each other to play with.

What do you think will be the mental health and personality effects on a child when people they know get sick and drop dead from COVID?

Considering the odds of dying for people under 50 is about 1 in 2000, I'd say they're not likely to see a single person die.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Children don't have grandparents? Do you know how many kids are picked up after school by grandparents? How many grandparents are raising their grandchildren?

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Children don't have grandparents? Do you know how many kids are picked up after school by grandparents? How many grandparents are raising their grandchildren?

I don't think Jay cares about grandparents in the slightest. He made a big point to try and make me feel guilty about wanting my own aging parents to stay safe. I think as he put it, "you'll sacrifice the economy for one more Christmas with your parents."

Yikes.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Children don't have grandparents? Do you know how many kids are picked up after school by grandparents? How many grandparents are raising their grandchildren?

I don't think Jay cares about grandparents in the slightest. He made a big point to try and make me feel guilty about wanting my own aging parents to stay safe. I think as he put it, "you'll sacrifice the economy for one more Christmas with your parents."

Yikes.

uziq wrote:

Jay wrote:

uziq wrote:

4-5% of people under 50 require serious hospitalization for covid. that's the stat you should be looking at if you're seriously advocating no lockdown for people under 50. because 5% of that age-group will end up in hospital, and if the hospitals are full, then a lot more people will die than the present numbers.

Where are you getting your percentages from? Hospitalizations divided by confirmed cases?

The overall death rate from covid-19 has been estimated at 0.66%, rising sharply to 7.8% in people aged over 80 and declining to 0.0016% in children aged 9 and under.1

The estimates, calculated by researchers in the UK, used aggregate data on cases and deaths in mainland China. Unlike other estimates, however, they adjusted for undiagnosed cases and the number of people in each age group of a population.

The team found that nearly one in five people over 80 infected with covid-19 would probably require hospital admission, compared with around 1% of people under 30.

They also estimated that the average time between a person displaying symptoms and dying was 17.8 days, while recovering from the disease was estimated to take slightly longer, with patients being discharged from hospital after an average of 22.6 days.

The paper, published in the Lancet Infectious Diseases and funded by the UK Medical Research Council, analysed data from 3665 covid-19 cases in mainland China to estimate the admission rate among different age groups.

It reported that 0.04% of 10-19 year olds would probably require hospital care—as would 1.0% of people in their 20s, 3.4% of people aged 30-39, 4.3% aged 40-49, 8.2% aged 50-59, 11.8% in their 60s, 16.6% in their 70s, and 18.4% of those over 80.

what's the normal retirement age in america, by the way? that's a lot of working adults needing pressing hospital care.

Children of all ages can become ill with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). But most kids who are infected typically don't become as sick as adults and some might not show any symptoms at all. Know the symptoms of COVID-19 in babies and children, why children might be affected differently by COVID-19 and what you can do to prevent the spread of the virus.

How likely is it for a child to become sick with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)?
While all children are capable of getting the virus that causes COVID-19, they don't become sick as often as adults. Children also rarely experience severe illness with COVID-19. Despite many large outbreaks around the world, very few children have died.

According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), among nearly 150,000 cases of COVID-19 in the U.S. between Feb. 12 and April 2, only about 2,500, or 1.7%, were in children. This is similar to what has been reported in other countries, such as China and Italy, that have had large outbreaks. Hospitalization rates for children have been much lower than for adults.

However, people of any age with certain underlying conditions, such as type 2 diabetes, are at higher risk of serious illness with COVID-19. Additionally, children who have congenital heart disease, genetic conditions or conditions affecting the nervous system or metabolism are also at higher risk of serious illness with COVID-19.

Why do children react differently to COVID-19?
The answer isn't clear yet. Some experts suggest that children might not be as severely affected by COVID-19 because there are other coronaviruses that spread in the community and cause diseases such as the common cold. Since children often get colds, they might have antibodies that provide them with some protection against COVID-19. It's also possible that children's immune systems interact with the virus differently than do adults' immune systems. Some adults are getting sick because their immune systems seem to overreact to the virus, causing more damage to their bodies. This may be less likely to happen in children.

Jay wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Children don't have grandparents? Do you know how many kids are picked up after school by grandparents? How many grandparents are raising their grandchildren?

I don't think Jay cares about grandparents in the slightest. He made a big point to try and make me feel guilty about wanting my own aging parents to stay safe. I think as he put it, "you'll sacrifice the economy for one more Christmas with your parents."

Yikes.

My parents are 65. My in-laws are 67. My mother-in-law is a teacher. I want them to be safe, and they want to be safe, but if you asked them if they agreed with sacrificing their grandchildren's education and future to spare their own health they would look at you like you were crazy. I dunno about where you live, but the people I see most disregarding the health and safety advice have been the very young, but also the old. The young are invincible and the old have already seen it all and don't have any fucks to give.