BF2S Forums Pandemic thread

Jay wrote:

What made you so self loathing? By all societal measures you're relatively successful and yet you believe in a political system and support a movement that would destroy it all. Is it just residual edginess from your youth? I get the 20 something Marxists, they've got nothing invested in society yet. You do.

You're still confusing social democracy with communism, its as if you're stupid or something.

Bottom line is you have 100% self-interest and 0% empathy.
Now that you've got yourself a teensy bit ahead of your ghetto start, thanks to the govt assistance packages you took advantage of, you don't want anyone else getting anywhere.

Australia was doing great until this twat dropped the ball.



Put people in quarantine but let them refuse to be tested and let them out anyway, and decline the offer for the ADF to control security and give out a no-bid contract to a private security firm.

We need actual technocrats running the place, not career wonks with history degrees and no experience of doing anything.

Well it is here. Anyway this guy is a CCP shill, its as if he never actually read any history or something.

”The schools situation is a complete crisis. And completely unfixable”

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/politics … index.html

Interesting article explaining what I have been saying for months. Basically remote learning has failed. Our economy can't function with millions of parents doing homeschooling. No one knows what to do or will have the money to do it.

What we do know is that the Trump administration, which is concentrating instead on the protection of statues, is unlikely to be much help.

Literally the worst president we have had since the civil war.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Jay wrote:

What made you so self loathing? By all societal measures you're relatively successful and yet you believe in a political system and support a movement that would destroy it all. Is it just residual edginess from your youth? I get the 20 something Marxists, they've got nothing invested in society yet. You do.

You're still confusing social democracy with communism, its as if you're stupid or something.

Bottom line is you have 100% self-interest and 0% empathy.
Now that you've got yourself a teensy bit ahead of your ghetto start, thanks to the govt assistance packages you took advantage of, you don't want anyone else getting anywhere.

ken laid out his personal manifesto. He's wholly a socialist.

uziq wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

”The schools situation is a complete crisis. And completely unfixable”

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/politics … index.html

Interesting article explaining what I have been saying for months. Basically remote learning has failed. Our economy can't function with millions of parents doing homeschooling. No one knows what to do or will have the money to do it.

What we do know is that the Trump administration, which is concentrating instead on the protection of statues, is unlikely to be much help.

Literally the worst president we have had since the civil war.

it's amazing how poor the organization has been with regards to schools.

economic recovery is pretty hard when parents are still tied-up with childcare and covering educational responsibilities.

They should just suck it up and spend the time with their bratty kids and stop whining, amirite?

Jay wrote:

uziq wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

”The schools situation is a complete crisis. And completely unfixable”

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/politics … index.html

Interesting article explaining what I have been saying for months. Basically remote learning has failed. Our economy can't function with millions of parents doing homeschooling. No one knows what to do or will have the money to do it.

Literally the worst president we have had since the civil war.

it's amazing how poor the organization has been with regards to schools.

economic recovery is pretty hard when parents are still tied-up with childcare and covering educational responsibilities.

They should just suck it up and spend the time with their bratty kids and stop whining, amirite?

i mean, jay, your rhetoric about people being 'cowards' over covid, and forwarding your own immense suffering in the form of ... ordinary childcare ... was not exactly persuasive stuff. you sound retarded.

150,000 american families are grieving and without their loved ones. and you seemed genuinely aggrieved that you'd have to be in the same house as your wife and kids for a few weeks.

uziq wrote:

Jay wrote:

uziq wrote:

it's amazing how poor the organization has been with regards to schools.

economic recovery is pretty hard when parents are still tied-up with childcare and covering educational responsibilities.

They should just suck it up and spend the time with their bratty kids and stop whining, amirite?

i mean, jay, your rhetoric about people being 'cowards' over covid, and forwarding your own immense suffering in the form of ... ordinary childcare ... was not exactly persuasive stuff. you sound retarded.

150,000 american families are grieving and without their loved ones. and you seemed genuinely aggrieved that you'd have to be in the same house as your wife and kids for a few weeks.

I think it's pretty normal to care about what's right in front of you and impacting your day-to-day. I was never laid off. I was working from home. My wife works from home. Adding kids to the mix with high stress jobs doesn't do anyone any favors. I'd like to say we were Pinterest parents and homeschooling was awesome and we taught our kids a ton, but we were not. I can't tell you how many conference calls I was on where I had a kid barge in and tell me they wanted a snack or had to go potty. It's fucking embarrassing. So, because we were both working, they spent way too much time on the couch watching tv and youtube. I watched their social skills deteriorate. I watched them become depressed. The sheer mania every time they had a scheduled playdate with friends was what got them through it. Now that they are back in school with friends they are so incredibly happy it's indescribable.

So yes, my kids having a normal school year starting in the fall is incredibly important to me, and it's incredibly frustrating that the teachers unions will likely make it impossible. Based on all evidence, kids will be absolutely fine in school and won't get sick and won't transfer it. It's the teachers who are terrified and the teachers union that represents them that won't allow a return to normalcy. And that has literally nothing to do with Trump or the federal government, and everything to do with negotiations between local school districts and the union reps. The decisions of neighboring school districts have repercussions as well, because if the teacher's kids are in a closed school district, she can't come in to work, which means this school district will likely have to close too. Good luck unentangling this mess because there are a good number of teachers that have as much motivation as macbeth to do their job, and who will raise a stink to stay home and collect a paycheck because "it's unsafe".

uziq wrote:

that was normal for the vast majority of people working from home jay. the publishing director of my company held conference call meetings with 150+ people present, with children in the background. she didn't whine.

how is it the teachers' fault?

you seem confused. the government and state should do nothing to coordinate crisis responses, and a bunch of K-12 teachers should devise a pandemic response?

You clearly have no idea how American government works or how delegation of power works. Not everything emanates from Washington DC.

Each school district is independent. They have their own taxation and their own contracts with the teachers union. The State provides curriculum requirements but does not have day-to-day oversight of school districts unless they have been taken over due to corruption/incompetence etc. There is no global contract between the State and the teachers union. All the State and Federal governments can do is provide guidelines.

Jay wrote:

uziq wrote:

that was normal for the vast majority of people working from home jay. the publishing director of my company held conference call meetings with 150+ people present, with children in the background. she didn't whine.

how is it the teachers' fault?

you seem confused. the government and state should do nothing to coordinate crisis responses, and a bunch of K-12 teachers should devise a pandemic response?

You clearly have no idea how American government works or how delegation of power works. Not everything emanates from Washington DC.

Each school district is independent. They have their own taxation and their own contracts with the teachers union. The State provides curriculum requirements but does not have day-to-day oversight of school districts unless they have been taken over due to corruption/incompetence etc. There is no global contract between the State and the teachers union. All the State and Federal governments can do is provide guidelines.

yes, but don't they take direction from some supernumerary public health or federal authority when it comes to, i don't know, the basic safety of their students?

or does every school district invent its own health-and-safety regulations, too? does every school define its own standards of being in loco parentis?

Last edited by uziq (2020-07-02 06:47:29)

i think that’s a very idealistic reading of technocrats.

the technocrats of russia and china, ruling with ‘rational’ governance and central planning, were also a corrupt class. like any ‘rational’ system, you can set up the rules and norms and regulations to benefit yourself.

Jay, did anybody make fun of you for your young children jumping into your conference calls? "Fucking embarrassing," as you put it, seems pretty cold-hearted to me.

You'd figure your colleagues and clients or whoever would understand that there's a pandemic and that people working from home, where their families live, are going to be interrupted by children. Who were you on a conference call with? Ebenezer Scrooge? Did someone tell you to go hang them by their toes in the garage?

You've got a sizable-looking house on a decent lot for a suburb. You even found time to build a deck, though I don't know what became of that project. Must be really struggling for elbow room.