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the underclass are nothing even remotely like nihilist. anyone who describes an underclass lifestyle as 'bacchanalian' is not worth listening to. read a book.

Don't refer to black people as "blacks" or "the blacks". Its dehumanizing

uziq wrote:

the underclass are nothing even remotely like nihilist. anyone who describes an underclass lifestyle as 'bacchanalian' is not worth listening to. read a book.

Oh, are they reading Faust in their public housing units? Their entire lives are based on chasing simple pleasures. Drugs, sex, music, partying, violence, envy, they check all of the Seven Deadly Sins boxes. There's no self improvement. There's no long term planning. They live for today and have no hope for tomorrow. It's amazing that the leisure class at the top, and the underclass at the bottom, have much the same tastes and lifestyle. The only thing that really separates them is money. And yet you piss on the one for having too much, and hold up the second as some sort of ideal for having too little. Those damn bourgeoisie and their contemptible judgement and moralizing...

I still recommend the documentary where Billy Ray Valentine swaps places with Louis Winthorpe III to trade orange juice futures.

Jay wrote:

uziq wrote:

the underclass are nothing even remotely like nihilist. anyone who describes an underclass lifestyle as 'bacchanalian' is not worth listening to. read a book.

Oh, are they reading Faust in their public housing units? Their entire lives are based on chasing simple pleasures. Drugs, sex, music, partying, violence, envy, they check all of the Seven Deadly Sins boxes. There's no self improvement. There's no long term planning. They live for today and have no hope for tomorrow. It's amazing that the leisure class at the top, and the underclass at the bottom, have much the same tastes and lifestyle. The only thing that really separates them is money. And yet you piss on the one for having too much, and hold up the second as some sort of ideal for having too little. Those damn bourgeoisie and their contemptible judgement and moralizing...

lmao i don't know where you're getting this bullshit from but you are wading into deep and opaque waters of stupid.

leave this sort of jeremiad-ranting to the david brooks of the world. it doesn't suit you.

'seven deadly sins' lmao. and then you talk about nihilism. my guy, please just stop.

the fecklessness of the poor is a conservative 'plaint as old as time itself. yes, on the surface level you can identify poor long-term planning and seemingly impulsive decision-making; but this is purely descriptive. it's a version of that overdone 'cheap shoes' logic. rich people have more money so they can invest, purchase property, acquire nice things that last, etc. money really does breed more money and more stability than hard labour and graft (this is the central takeaway from piketty's 'capital' fyi). if you're poor, you have no stake in anything, cannot foresee a time when you ever will, and furthermore you fritter away your cash on short-term satisfactions to allay the crushing tedium/boredom/depression of it all.

bourgeois people have careers. the poor do not. a career and a purpose in life is a fine thing. doing dead-end precarious jobs or serving rich people, not so much. it's a self-perpetuating cycle and is not down to some 'moral failure' in the urban poor.

as for seven deadly sins ... why are you entering the register of christian moralism to denounce 'nihilists'? nihilism is the questioning of all value. the entire, main, clichéd contribution of nietzsche to western philosophy is the overturning of all values, transvaluation, the eternal recurrence of same, etc. nihilists do not see categories of virtue and sin: that's rather the whole point.

mostly i think jay is just roleplaying being the sort of middle-class suburbanite that he so desperately wants to become. this is golf-club talk, of the most priggish and petit-bourgeois variety imaginable. 'that's the problem with the poor, they have no long-term planning. by the way, how's your house price doing, jeff?'. jay wants to escape any taint or association a little too eagerly, and it shows.

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This is the noose that NASCAR got up in arms about but turns out it was just a loop


Now their fans are having a field day.

‘traditional’ conservatism has always involved stoking up the flames of culture wars whilst strip-mining assets and the economy. pander to emotive issues whilst you and your friends/class line their pockets.

But why?

Jay wrote:

Oh, are they reading Faust in their public housing units? Their entire lives are based on chasing simple pleasures. Drugs, sex, music, partying, violence, envy, they check all of the Seven Deadly Sins boxes. There's no self improvement. There's no long term planning. They live for today and have no hope for tomorrow. It's amazing that the leisure class at the top, and the underclass at the bottom, have much the same tastes and lifestyle. The only thing that really separates them is money. And yet you piss on the one for having too much, and hold up the second as some sort of ideal for having too little. Those damn bourgeoisie and their contemptible judgement and moralizing...

If only they could all sign up to kill heathens for Israel and marry into a rich family.

There's some truth to what you're saying, many don't know how or have the inclination to help themselves.
But there really aren't enough opportunities to go around, nor is there enough money with the 1% siphoning it away and ring-fencing it.

amusing how the right-wing like to put up 'reading faust' on some pedestal of 'worthiness' when it suits them, but will hack away humanities, liberal arts, 'college snobs', etc. when they need to make a contrary argument. the right-wing entertain some very equivocal views about 'high culture'. too much of it is surely dangerous! but of course the poor could use it to improve their lot, er, somehow.

does nascar even matter to 80% of americans? it has no cultural presence here whatsoever.