Dilbert_X
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Pretty sure its Britain which is going nowhere.

Culture and behaviour are to some extent hardwired

where am i saying anywhere that i would blend right in in addis ababa?
Surely they're such nice tolerant people who want to promote multiculturalism over their own culture they'll welcome you with open arms and roll out the red carpet?

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uziq
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the same old pseudo-scientific claptrap from our resident social darwinist. yes let's talk about 'racial behaviour' and other victorian ideas.

why are you so into social darwinism when it flatters your racist views and not, say, when it posits you as a complete waste of space? an unmarried middle-aged man with no issue? you are literally a burden on our species. i'd examine your weird little fake science ideologies, if i were you.
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I think culture is important in determining behavior and outlook. A Christian African American is different than a Muslim Nigerian in almost every way than how they look. And even then there is a lot of variation.

A Muslim Chechen is also very different from a Catholic Irish person even if both can be gingers.
https://s.abcnews.com/images/International/AP_Abu_Omar_al_shishan_ISIS_hb_160314_16x9_992.jpg
If you are really serious about culture then focusing on race is the dumb way of going about it.
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Dilbert_X
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My choices are my choices, I've been productive, contributed to my countries, not spent my time committing crimes, scrounging benefits and taking drugs.
How promoting a culture which does all of this takes the country forward instead of backward maybe you can explain.
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uziq
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who commits crimes, scrounges benefits and takes drugs? sounds like a bad tabloid trope. certainly not any black or muslim people i've befriended in the UK.
Dilbert_X
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OK but you live in a bubble no? Of course you're only going to meet professionals in your little professional bubble, and 84% white Bristol of the Boondocks.
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uziq
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an 84% white city is multicultural. i have never claimed to be living in a refugee camp in calais, again. you seem to like stressing that i live in a 'white enclave'. not true. i interact with plenty of people from other cultures in my professional and social life. it's completely normal and not exceptional in any way.

blaming immigrant communities for crime, drug use and benefit cheating is just so passe. very very 1990s dilbert. even the tabloids here don't bang on that drum anymore. that's because, unfortunately, it's white council sink estates that are full of anti-social behaviour and crime. as you can see from the lovely, civil, law-abiding white citizens above. it's the white underclass that present serious problems as much as black gangs in london or grooming gangs in bradford or whatever other story you want to focus on.

black and asian cultures avoid drug-use within their own communities. they often have more religious and more socially conservative homes than whites. they also, culturally speaking, tend to stay at home with their elders until much later. they do not come from 'broken homes' as often. that's a white thing in the UK. the muslim and afro-caribbean communities in bristol are very anti-drugs.

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Magic the Gathering banned 7 cards over the week due to the cards being linked to racism.
https://static.tappedout.net/mtg-cards-2/legends/invoke-prejudice/2014-invoke-prejudice-cropped.jpg
https://img.scryfall.com/cards/large/front/4/b/4b9933e3-2267-4534-a1c6-c463e767480a.jpg?1559591924
I had the chance to buy Crusade for $8.99 a month ago. I decided to be cheap and not do so instead. Now the card is not even being allowed to be listed in any Magic the Gathering market place and the price is spiking. So disappointed in myself.
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Dilbert_X
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I can see a lot of skinheads taking up MTG just for that.
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SuperJail Warden
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Dilbert_X wrote:

I can see a lot of skinheads taking up MTG just for that.
It's been a complicated last few weeks. Magic the Gathering is already an overwhelmingly white hobby as it is. And the company that runs it has been getting slammed in the media for not having any non-white staff outside of factory and warehouse people. There are 20,000 MTG cards in existence but only 1 black artist in the entire 25 year history. Non-white content creators get sidelined in favor of white ones by corporate. And the company is known for telling people they turned down they "don't fit in with the culture we want at our company". The blue card I posted was in fact created expressly as a white supremacist inside joke when you look up some more facts about how it was created.

For what it is worth, the company has been apologetic about the whole thing and is promising to make changes. The backlash to this has resulted in many of the fringe MTG communities going full white supremacist contrarian while the more mainstream ones are going with the flow from corporate. The overall effect of this for me is my withdrawal from the fringe communities into the mainstream ones. I can accept white supremacy and blah blah blah as being a normal fact of reality. I don't want to be purposely bombarded with it though.

The fringe communities are very hostile to the recent business practices of corporate over the same time I have put a tremendous amount of money into the thing. The price of my collection is only half of what I have spent in the last year. So the backlash has tied me closer to corporate media and mainstream communities thereby I guess increasing how much money I am going to put into the whole thing. Interesting how the backlash to the backlash works out.
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SuperJail Warden
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Macbeth wrote:

Interesting how the backlash to the backlash works out.
Sorry for the double post but I wanted to break up my thoughts into two separate topics.

On the reddit communities I run, I do make an effort to remove anti-Asian, and anti-Jewish post about the porn stars who are Jews and Asians. Never has anyone ever posted something I haven't said myself here or somewhere else. But I don't want there to be anything that alienates people from coming back and getting my subscriber and visitor numbers to keep going up. That is probably how a lot of community leaders feel when they have issues like this. It says a lot about leadership when they rather have a toxic community atmosphere than having more souls to rule over and manage.
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Apparently Netflix removed some episodes of Always Sunny because of blackface scenes.
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i thought that Always Sunny where they are in the musical (i think it was 2 seasons ago) was one of the best comedy takes on racial profiling ever.

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HollisHurlbut
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uziq wrote:

i would have just left it at the moment he ran away. giving chase escalated it.
No, Brooks escalated it.

why are you chasing a guy armed with a taser over a DUI?
Because it wasn't about a DUI anymore.  He committed misdemeanor (at least, possibly felony) obstruction, felony theft, and felony robbery when he resisted and took the taser.

why do you need to give dangerous chase over such a trivial felony?
Felonies are, pretty much by definition, not trivial.

at the end of the day a guy just lost his life because he fell asleep in his car after a few too many beers.
Stop it.  That's not what happened.
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I would argue that the conclusion to affairs there was over the top, and that your response in their defense is a little startling. A judge probably wouldn't sentence the man to death for felony theft alone. This isn't North Korea, is it?

It also makes you think: if police are so afraid of less-lethal weapons that they'd respond to it with lethal force, why do they deploy less-lethal weapons so frivolously?

Why have someone roll down their window just so you can pepper spray them in the face? Why continually keep shooting rubber bullets at people who are committing no crime? Why keep shoving elderly people onto the pavement?
HollisHurlbut
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

I would argue that the conclusion to affairs there was over the top, and that your response in their defense is a little startling. A judge probably wouldn't sentence the man to death for felony theft alone. This isn't North Korea, is it?
You'll note that my statement wasn't at all about the shooting, but instead the reason why they gave chase and exactly why it wasn't "just a DUI" anymore.

It also makes you think: if police are so afraid of less-lethal weapons that they'd respond to it with lethal force, why do they deploy less-lethal weapons so frivolously?
Because it bridges the gap between the response to passive resistance and the response to lethal/serious physical injury threats.
uziq
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HollisHurlbut wrote:

uziq wrote:

i would have just left it at the moment he ran away. giving chase escalated it.
No, Brooks escalated it.

why are you chasing a guy armed with a taser over a DUI?
Because it wasn't about a DUI anymore.  He committed misdemeanor (at least, possibly felony) obstruction, felony theft, and felony robbery when he resisted and took the taser.

why do you need to give dangerous chase over such a trivial felony?
Felonies are, pretty much by definition, not trivial.

at the end of the day a guy just lost his life because he fell asleep in his car after a few too many beers.
Stop it.  That's not what happened.
funny of you to pop up to defend this case and then say nothing about the multiple police murders that have just lit up your country like a bonfire. fuck off. or were you too busy out shooting protestors with tear gas and rubber bullets?

and, yes, as newbie said above: my problem is with any policing situation at all that escalates that quickly and ends up with people dead. the police here frequently let examples of 'felonies' or illegality go if it risks endangering life or making a bad situation worse. why aren't police there taught proper grappling skills? why aren't police there taught that life is more important than 'wanted dead or alive' sherrifing?

your silence speaks volumes on the last few weeks, by the way. always a good by-the-book pedant when you see a crack of light for your cause.

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Dilbert_X
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Well its one murder, maybe one and a half.

Where's the 'black community' when its white people getting killed by the police?
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uziq
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Well its one murder, maybe one and a half.

Where's the 'black community' when its white people getting killed by the police?
have you been paying attention at all to the protests? they recite the names of dozens of people killed by police. one of the main slogans of the movement is 'say their names' ffs. and you're over there saying 'it's just one person'.

shut the fuck up with your endless white pity parade. show me a video of a white person being choked out in broad daylight and i'll give you your 5 minutes on the podium.

there are ample statistics to show how black people are disproportionately stopped, arrested, sentenced, etc. how a black person committing the same crime as a white person will be treated far worse. how cycles of criminality and recidivism are 'hard-baked' into the legal system, which treats black people as pretty much incarceral subjects. and yet you continually whine about 'white equality'. do you have an 'all lives matter' tshirt?

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Dilbert_X
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But they only recite the names of black people killed don't they?
Where were the protesters for this?



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Or this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Harry_Stanley

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Or this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_ … de_Menezes

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But a black drug dealer with a gun gets lawfully killed and this happens

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uziq
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way to miss the point. 'systemic inequality and racial discrimination doesn't exist!'
Dilbert_X
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OK but they don't give a shit about anyone else.

If the roles were reversed do you think they'd spend a second considering you and your interests?
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uziq
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every single protest i have seen is multi-racial and diverse.

i would like to think that anyone living in a democracy would be affronted by miscarriages of justice, extra-judicial killings, and institutional discrimination, yes. it rather undermines the whole of society, doesn't it? what sort of social contract is on offer? what does it say when the ideals by which a society justifies and perpetuates itself are so openly discarded?

you have some very strange and idiosyncratic views of 'black culture'. you seem to think that someone in the UK should be judged by the behaviour of politicians in haiti or warlords in somalia. that's rather like you being judged continuously for kindergarten shootings in new england, or pedophile cases in belgium. nobody here can read your postings on race as anything other than the vitriol of a deranged crank.
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Well, these things did make the national news as you can see. I suppose they only add to the narrative that US police is excessively violent.

If you want to conclude that there's identity politics underneath the surface in these riots ... well no shit. But does that make a protest against police violence less justified? You can dissect the argument into 2 points: 1. Police is too violent. 2. They're even more likely to be too violent around black people.
Dilbert_X
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3. Black people only care when its black people being killed.
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