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Dilbert, did you see the article calling out fox on faking photographs of the capitol hill autonomous zone to make it look scarier?

I guess they gotta do something to compete with all the photographs of innocent people bleeding all over their clothing, because the police are uniformly good guys in all this.

There is nothing inherently wrong with a police state. As long as the police treat everyone the same and the laws are applied correctly.

Maybe they should stop killing people so unnecessarily and then escalating protests into riots through random acts of brutality. Maybe they shouldn't apologize to their brethren for trying to deescalate by showing an ounce of solidarity with a community through a simple act of kneeling. Maybe we should elect a president who doesn't mourn that we can't just send in the Pinkertons or the Marines or whatever to slaughter dominate everyone. 'Bunch of sissies afraid of a little violence!'

All this could have been easily prevented.

DesertFox- wrote:

I've been seeing a lot more bootlicking in recent days from police apologists. Presumably, it's been long enough that they're no longer biting their tongues. It's the usual tropes of "what about black on black crime?" and "they should just listen to police". Though my parents evidently got a few strange takeaways from these protests --- my mom has a theory that they're going to change the name of White Castle and my dad thinks Blazing Saddles is next after Gone With the Wind.

One of my old co-workers who is a Republican used to argue that "You couldn't make Blazing Saddles today!"

Boomers seem to only remember this one scene


As if the word N----- never gets said by whites in movies anymore.

The strangest part to me is they seem to think that it's only funny because they're casually dropping n-words and that's funny like a child cursing to them because "you shouldn't say it". Blazing Saddles purposefully lampoons stereotypes, and dare I say, (Dare! Dare!) subverts expectations, but that evidently flew straight over peoples heads.

People were moping over how "Blazing Saddles could never be remade" as far back as I can remember. All a part of the strange, white melancholy of being told you probably shouldn't blurt out the n word, I'm sure. So many regrets over the oppressive nature of politically correct culture!

Like, ok boomer.

Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

great argument!

yes, anyone who wants to adjust the tax system must surely give away all of their wealth!

anyone who is pro-multiculturalism must marry into a muslim family and open their home to syrian refugees!

that's the only possible form these beliefs can take!

Reductio ad derpziquam again

Once again you talk big but actually do nothing.

you are senseless. individual volition and acts of charity will not change the balance of (in)equality in a system. you literally sound like a victorian or a robber-baron. 'philanthropists can fix everything!'

inequality is a terminally Bad Thing. economists from left and right agree. inequality is on the rise. progressive taxation is the best plaster for this nasty boo boo, and has been throughout history. the fact that capitalism and the billionaire capitalist class have various national governments by the balls and threaten to offshore their wealth or move their companies is not a laudable situation. against this picture, humble old me, with my single income, is not going to do very much to 'raise' the living standards of my compatriots.

we've already established that i do more by way of actual charity and person-to-person interaction than you do, who seems to think donating to an animal shelter is the height of kindliness. let's move on with the 'you do nothing stuff'. i probably pay a higher % of my income on tax than you. i have never presented myself as a radical or a revolutionary. we're talking about tax reform ffs.

hey! you should read the latest piketty. it's 1,100 pages on this very topic. there are many reviews and essays online that will adumbrate it for you. you will sound a lot less stupid.

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it's amazing how much you sound like jay when it suits you, or when your own default assumptions are challenged.

'you can't achieve anything', 'best to do nothing', 'the status quo is obviously the best and here to stay, too bad chap'.

so nobody can have an opinion on the tax system unless they're a doorstepping activist? you do realize that, for the vast majority of people in modern democracies, casting a vote is their part of the political process? that's how representative systems work. do you tell anyone who confronts you with a political opinion you disagree with that, unless they're running for the local council, they should stfu?

my company don't pay me. it's arranged during lunch breaks. employees can arrange to donate a fixed amount of their salary to any number of causes. stop making so many fast and loose assumptions.

lol great job. you paid for a dead person bench. truly improving society. society grows great when it's elders bequeath park benches!

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time and time again, the best solution to macroeconomic inequality is to change the tax system. it's really not a controversial idea. if you want a fairer distribution of wealth and a more mobile society, change the tax bands. you stressing individual effort and genius is fucking funny. yes, no shit, most people don't have the time or energy. that's why you tax their income! how is this a groundbreaking idea to you?

weekly charity seems fine to me. i've never mentioned it here before. i don't consider myself an activist or a radical, again. go back a few posts. you're the one that accused me of 'doing nothing', because, again, you made some hugely wrong assumptions. as if a person who enjoys partying as a young adult must also be a moral vacuum and a parasite on society. don't lumber me with your inane and pathetic views.

what do most people do to express their political views? again, serious question. do you expect every single person in society to run for election or something? what are you actually getting at here? that there are few ways for people to instrumentalize their views in democracy?

personal taxation in the UK has actually increased in recent years, as a total. the problem is that corporation tax has been cut and cut again. shifting the tax burden onto individuals and letting corporations off does not seem desirable to me. so i vote for parties that will clamp down on corporate tax evasion and preferential rates. that seems pretty simple.

why would i want to marry a horsey girl by joining the tory party? please don't project your anxieties onto me because you are biological flotsam at this point in your life.

please let me know when a government has ever made wide-sweeping tax reform because of petitioning within its own party system during an inter-election year. LOL.

in modern history the only times that have seen drastic changes to taxation have been the great depression and the world wars. go figure. maybe if i join the gloucestershire conservatives i'll be able to write a few letters !

i am still not sure what your point is, other than to point to the fact there isn't much an average voter can do to change the system. therefore anyone who expresses an opinion or wish for change should basically stfu, is the gist of what you're saying.

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that guy made a series of incredibly bad decisions. the cops made some bad decisions in the heat of the moment. shooting a man several times in the back as he's running away is probably not ideal, even if he does have a taser. i think it's right that a cop got fired. it's regrettable but he's entrusted with a deadly weapon which he discharged -- wrongly in my view (if not legalistically then morally). there has to be some consequences for such high-stakes. i'll agree that it seems like pretty much the worst night of that cop's life, too. how did one guy get the better of two officers armed with tasers? are they not taught how to restrain people effectively or what? and please don't tell me they could have put a knee on his neck or choked him out.

in europe this would have ended very differently, it goes without saying. having guns in the equation always escalates the stakes. should anyone really die over a DUI? the state-of-affairs there is fucking insanity.

i guess the relevance to the protest movement is: how would the cops have been treated before now? probably not have been fired. probably backed up and smoothed over by the department. why did the man act as he did? probably because he knows that, as a black man, he's going to get fucked by the court and legal system way harder than a white man. would a white man running away have been shot in the back? hmm. i just posted a video a week ago in which a white man responsible for a lethal hit-and-run wasn't even handcuffed by the apprehending officers. why do so few white people end up plastered on the pavement over minor offences? why makes a black man more disposed to run away from the police at the first sound of a siren or arrest?

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