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i'm still not clear what your point has been, really at all, in this whole discussion to be honest with you.

you seemed peevish at the protests, annoyed that minorities were importing US slogans, as if they didn't have any legitimate grievances .. and now, in a volte face, you seem very happy and smug that your favourite rapper is being chanted out loud all around the world? well what the fuck? make an actual point.

i think your problem is you affect this 'the economist'-style neutral god tone but haven't a fucking clue what you're on about half the time. the disproportionate policing, deaths in custody, police shootings etc of black folks in western europe was probably news to you.

Larssen wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Larssen wrote:

victory, at last

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSdGrwVdWNo

Infinity War was so bad. The comic version was darker, made more sense, and didn't result in a bunch of people saying "Thanos Was Right"

infinity war was one of the best marvel movies, certainly better than the sequel

Comic Book movies are bad in general. Very few good ones ever made. Infinity War being the nexus of all of it makes it that much worse.

i said i'm not impressed by his lyrics and have no interest in them. how surprising that people at a protest chant song lyrics!

i guess because communists chant la marseillaise when they get together, marx and engels are of far lesser importance in the scheme of things than de lisle, the songwriter.

you do know that all the placards and chanting of 'no justice, no peace' quotes earlier civil rights struggle, right?

u are the smartest boi eva!

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but people gathered in their 10,000s in brussels to precisely protest police killings as well as the status of black people in belgium?

i don't know why you're clinging to this assertion that all the people present in NZ were a 'diaspora'. i see like 4 black american girls and a huge crowd. you've gone from being triumphant over hearing kendrick lamar in a protest context to backtracking big time when you realise it makes your whole 'point' about contextually-specific protests rather flimsy.

maybe all the crowds everywhere all over the world had at their core a 'diaspora' of american students. there we go. issue solved!

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so 'i can't breathe' shouldn't be cited anywhere outside of the US? are you actually serious with this?

https://www.brusselstimes.com/opinion/1 … ntability/
police brutality and racial profiling in brussels.

HOW is the slogan not relevant? you're happy for 'diasporas' to gather and protest but you're not happy about different groups with structurally identical and homologous struggles adopting a fucking slogan? to describe the exact same systemic and institutional racism? the same mistreatment at the police? the same deaths?

at this point you're down to such fine distinctions of pedantry that it's pointless. i'm sure you've won somewhere in your head. it's been a good day for you. you heard kendrick lamar at a protest and sure showed them that your pet favourite rapper is deep and meaningful! never mind all that previous patrician nonsense and peevishness about 'exporting shit'. you are really smarts!

i hope if you hear any moroccans or belgians listening to kendrick lamar that you rip their earbuds from their ears and inform them that the context and message is totally different and not comparable in any way whatsoever.

also i agree. there are *checks notes* 11.5 million belgians. a few teenagers getting killed by police every year is a gnat landing on an abacus bead. people should cool it with the protests.

i see my point is going way over your head. never mind. woooooosh!

so, for the record: 'i can't breathe' should not appear outside of the US. black lives matter protests in belgium are ok but no slogans from the US please.

everything must be contextually grounded, which is why you listen to kendrick lamar at the gym in germany.

and you mock me for homoerotic sado-masochistic leather-strapped-and-girdled berghain dark rooms? then pump iron to a band that simulate ass-fucking and fellatio and cumming on stage? you and jay should shower together afterwards and let out all that tension you clearly have, throwing around gay insults whilst being a right pair of bloody mincers.

i don't know why you can't get your head around the concept of the idea travelling and having localised struggles, local interpretations. it is clearly a cry for justice for all people regardless of race; anger directed at the state/police forces who disproportionately target non-whites; outcry over a lack of accountability over what state violence does to non-white bodies; extra-judicial murder; and long legacies of systemic racism involving, variously, institutions such as slavery, colonialism, racist ideology and discrimination, etc. it's really not complicated.

it's quite incredible that for 3 pages you've been carefully delineating how everything must be contextualised and treated appropriately, whilst at the same time getting excited about kendrick lamar appearing at a protest in new zealand. whilst at the same time consistently vouching for how amazing he is and how you, a white european, are such a superfan.  meanwhile people have to explain to you that ideas are germinal and travel and mutate and adapt as they go.

black belgians identifying with the 'i can't breath slogan' -- absolutely not. why do you insist on exporting this shit?
larssen hyping himself to kendrick lamar songs about compton -- amazing! you should really listen uzi and identify with his message.

whoooooooooosh!

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We're all living in Amerika
Amerika ist wunderbar
We're all living in Amerika
Amerika, Amerika
We're all living in Amerika
Coca-Cola, Wonderbra
We're all living in Amerika
Amerika, Amerika

Do you guys like 2pac?

i never got into rap or cuntry

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Larssen wrote:

it isn't. how the fuck does a guy rapping about growing up in compton and being black in american society have any relevance to a 2nd generation moroccon immigrant from Molenbeek attending sermons given by his local radicalised imam? ffs. Music is even considered haram to some of these people. But I'm sure their experience in racial segregation and struggles is so similar to a 10th-something generation black american dealing with a history of slavery and bloods and crips. you're an idiot

I mentioned this before but your ideas about what constitute radical Islam are a bunch stereotypes and platitudes from 2002. Music instruments are considered bad by more hardline Islamist. Vocal singing is not. ISIS created many vocal only songs called Nasheeds. Young European jihadist were still releasing rap song while in Syria and Iraq because that sort of music is fine.

And what are you talking about regarding bloods and crips? Gang issues aren't a problem for even most black Americans. And there are more gang than bloods and crips.

When I say 'some of them' I'm patently not stereotyping.

Larssen wrote:

They do it for artistic shock in line with the lyrics of their songs. Berghain is an actual gay BDSM club, or at least that was its origin. If you start reading rammstein lyrics you'll get it but w/e.

I'm absolutely fine with all of that but you proudly proclaiming you never stood in line at berghain made me snigger a bit.

ideas can travel, can have localised struggles, can have local interpretations. I never denied that - I just referenced three revolutionary periods that changed and inspired uprisings in all of Europe, come on man (though I'd still argue the comparable contexts there were much more appropriate than importing the struggles of black americans to continental Europe, but I digress). Knowing this happens doesn't automatically mean I have to always agree with it or support it.

i’ve gone to berghain several times with my friends when they DJ there. i have lots of friends now living in berlin who produce music and DJ, including pretty frequently at berghain. it’s why i sniggered for my own part when you said ‘i think i know more than you about house and techno, having spent time in belgium and germany’. evidently you weren’t on this forum in its hey-day and don’t know anything about me and my involvement with music. that’s cool.

so what is your problem with people identifying with ‘i can’t breathe’ when their own racial groups are profiled and targeted by the police wherever they are? it seems like a straightforward analogy to me. meanwhile you listen to black rappers from compton and see no incongruity. lol ok. you’re a strange case.

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