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great, so you're about as marxist as i am, then. why do you accuse me of subscribing to waffle ideas?

you do realize everyone who is out protesting is also familiar with these ideas, too, right? there's something in your attitude that is very callow and a little bit stupid. the people who organize BLM and protests know that all inequality stems from economic inequality, larssen. it doesn't make any attempts at cultural influence or 'changing attitudes' fruitless; it doesn't make legislation and legal reform pointless.

you speak about these protests with a paternalistic disdain, as if the flawed children know not what they do. has it ever occurred to you that black people who protest are more familiar both with socioeconomic theory and the history of class struggle/protest than you? they've done the reading. you can leave out your school essay 'i argue that ...'s. they fucking know!

Last edited by uziq (2020-06-06 11:38:25)

because police officers DO treat black people differently to white people. because black people really ARE pulled over, stopped in the street, followed around stores more often. because black people really ARE treated interchangeably in the media, captioned with the wrong names, treated with contempt. because organisations like the NFL DO make things like 'taking a knee' into huge controversies, when they don't need to be.

there are so many cultural changes that can be made on the level of human behaviour and basic fucking respect. yes, yes, economic causes are ultimately the reason for the asymmetry, and for black folks' subaltern position. they know.

do you really, really think with your seminar room photocopied sheets that you have a better grip on this situation than these people? go tell them how fruitless their efforts are because 'race should not matter in a multicultural society'. you are full of these moronic screeds. i'm sure they score very well on term papers. MEANWHILE, that's not how human beings interact in society and it's not the basis for everyday 'care' and conduct on an interpersonal level.

are you really going off about affirmative action? in 2020? when was that debate last relevant? have you just watched 'american history x' or something?

Last edited by uziq (2020-06-06 11:45:19)

My last few posts expanded on an ongoing discussion that already veered off course from simply justice for george floyd. In this thread I've reiterated many times that his death was and is unacceptable and that I do see the issue at hand and sympathise with the black communities in the united states. Do I need to write and substantiate that underneath every post I make?

You say that everyone knows what I'm talking about, yet keep reconstructing your own version of my argument.

The police will have to stop intentionally shooting people in the face with rubber bullets before this country can have meaningful discourse with some of these departments. Are they capable of doing that for half a nanosecond?

Los Angeles police slammed for shooting a homeless, wheelchair-bound man in the face with a rubber bullet 6/6
https://www.news.com.au/world/los-angel … 50684d7928

You are confused. I am not opposite multiculturalism at all. I oppose tribalism. When identity comes to dominate people's politics, societal class, when people are pitted against one another based on their race or ethnic/cultural background. It is tribalism and multiculturalism which cannot coexist.

Last edited by Larssen (2020-06-06 12:53:20)

Larssen wrote:

You are confused. I am not opposite multiculturalism at all. I oppose tribalism. When identity comes to dominate people's politics, societal class, when people are pitted against one another based on their race or ethnic/cultural background. It is tribalism and multiculturalism which cannot coexist.

I understand you are not opposed to multiculturalism. I am saying you don't understand the concept of the word you use. Multiculturalism is all about creating spaces for different identity groups and allowing them to maintain their identity. Identity and culture is closely ties with race.

Larssen wrote:

And yet it is always race and identity which dominates the argument, which is front and center, and which is paraded by corporate boards, universities, governments in their policies to 'fix the issues'. Then they end up hiring some kid who hits the identity checkboxes but who may just have grown up in a stable home in silicon valley and who went to stanford. But hey, at least he's black/arab/chinese/pickyourminority. Meanwhile the actual target community in an area like compton still has shit schools, still has gangs, still has poverty, still is overrepresented in crime and police brutality.

Get to the root. If you're 'as marxist as I am' you should clearly be able to see that the identitarian rifts and emotional outbursts over perceived/overt/covert racism are a distraction to the problems that need fixing.

No, race and identity are just a tool. The goal is to use their race, and white guilt, to overthrow democracy and replace it with an oligarchy in which they will have an unequal share of power wholly in their favor.

Jay wrote:

Larssen wrote:

And yet it is always race and identity which dominates the argument, which is front and center, and which is paraded by corporate boards, universities, governments in their policies to 'fix the issues'. Then they end up hiring some kid who hits the identity checkboxes but who may just have grown up in a stable home in silicon valley and who went to stanford. But hey, at least he's black/arab/chinese/pickyourminority. Meanwhile the actual target community in an area like compton still has shit schools, still has gangs, still has poverty, still is overrepresented in crime and police brutality.

Get to the root. If you're 'as marxist as I am' you should clearly be able to see that the identitarian rifts and emotional outbursts over perceived/overt/covert racism are a distraction to the problems that need fixing.

No, race and identity are just a tool. The goal is to use their race, and white guilt, to overthrow democracy and replace it with an oligarchy in which they will have an unequal share of power wholly in their favor.

This is some Helter Skelter stuff. I don't think Mexican high school students lobbying for Taco Tuesdays in their school's cafe have an end objective of white genocide.

You sound like a crazy person.

You guys can burble all you like about political theories, the people protesting don't care, all they know is they're poor and the police are against them and for the 1%.

No-one wants multiculturalism, they want people to assimilate or fuck of, they don't even want assimilation really, if people don't have tribalism they'll create it out of thin air.
You can write as many essays and reference as many circular sources as you like, just don't hold your breath unless you plan on holding it for about 500,000 years.

Jay wrote:

Larssen wrote:

And yet it is always race and identity which dominates the argument, which is front and center, and which is paraded by corporate boards, universities, governments in their policies to 'fix the issues'. Then they end up hiring some kid who hits the identity checkboxes but who may just have grown up in a stable home in silicon valley and who went to stanford. But hey, at least he's black/arab/chinese/pickyourminority. Meanwhile the actual target community in an area like compton still has shit schools, still has gangs, still has poverty, still is overrepresented in crime and police brutality.

Get to the root. If you're 'as marxist as I am' you should clearly be able to see that the identitarian rifts and emotional outbursts over perceived/overt/covert racism are a distraction to the problems that need fixing.

No, race and identity are just a tool. The goal is to use their race, and white guilt, to overthrow democracy and replace it with an oligarchy in which they will have an unequal share of power wholly in their favor.

lol

Jay is right on this. In identical circumstances blacks will achieve less and be poorer.
They aren't interested in being part of a 'vibrant multicultural community' or whatever the white apologists call it.
Given the chance they'd be wholly dominant and be treating the whites and hispanics far worse than they were ever treated.
Look at pretty well any african country to see what I mean, blacks will cheerfully slaughter fellow blacks from other tribes, then sit on their arses complaining about their low achievement.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Jay wrote:

Larssen wrote:

And yet it is always race and identity which dominates the argument, which is front and center, and which is paraded by corporate boards, universities, governments in their policies to 'fix the issues'. Then they end up hiring some kid who hits the identity checkboxes but who may just have grown up in a stable home in silicon valley and who went to stanford. But hey, at least he's black/arab/chinese/pickyourminority. Meanwhile the actual target community in an area like compton still has shit schools, still has gangs, still has poverty, still is overrepresented in crime and police brutality.

Get to the root. If you're 'as marxist as I am' you should clearly be able to see that the identitarian rifts and emotional outbursts over perceived/overt/covert racism are a distraction to the problems that need fixing.

No, race and identity are just a tool. The goal is to use their race, and white guilt, to overthrow democracy and replace it with an oligarchy in which they will have an unequal share of power wholly in their favor.

This is some Helter Skelter stuff. I don't think Mexican high school students lobbying for Taco Tuesdays in their school's cafe have an end objective of white genocide.

You sound like a crazy person.

You, who brag about affirmative action giving you an advantage? I'm the crazy person? The point of intersectionality is to flip the existing dynamic on its head, with straight white males on the bottom. How does one achieve this under the existing power structure? One vote is one vote, no? They're outnumbered, always. If they vote as a racial bloc they will be out voted. All of this comes back to power, and the club they are currently wielding is harnessing white liberal guilt and calling people racist until they fall in line. This only works on their own side, and its power will eventually fade. Certain elements have been agitating towards power realignment as a form of reparations. Black people's vote would be worth more than one vote, and their justification is the Dred Scott decision.