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Jay wrote:

for people under 50 the sickness isn't a big deal.

And you're under 50 so you don't care.

People have stopped going to Chinatown

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-06/ … 07584?nw=0

Dilbert_X wrote:

People have stopped going to Chinatown

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-06/ … 07584?nw=0

the chinese government has warned its citizens about travel to australia. turns out australia maybe is just a little more racist than elsewhere.

aren’t restaurants and bars everywhere way down on numbers? what’s there in chinatown except eateries?

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Jay wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Schools are completely unprepared to deal with this sort of thing. And no one knows what to do. I can tell you for a fact. I work in these things until the good people of NJ diversity hire me as a cop instead of your family members.

The only solution other than massive spending to modify how schools function will just result in virus spread among students and then outside communities.

Outside of that kawasaki blip people go worked up over, they still haven't shown kids carry or transmit it. If anything, it would be teachers infecting other teachers. Shut down the faculty lounge? Either way, for people under 50 the sickness isn't a big deal.

Why do you even follow politics if your solution to everything is to do nothing? You might as well not vote and read NFL subreddits.

To stop idiots from doing too much.

uziq wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

A much better argument for Larssen would be to paint the protest movements as a broad reaction to the economic collapse of the west and/or failure of conservative governance in the U.S. That's the way I am kind of seeing it and it avoids uncomfortable discussions about race. The fact that twice economically ruined millennials and coming of age Gen Z are the ones putting in the work on the street is proof of this. How many old folks do you see at these protest? Aside from the guy that the police nearly killed.

https://theintercept.com/2020/06/05/pen … ce=twitter

fun read.

Their scenario sounds like someone watched that Cyberpunk game trailer or played Deus ex and thought we needed to plan a way to stop Gen Z hacker cyborgs.

So once again you don't care about old people dying, just as long as you can offload your miserable kids onto daycare as soon as possible.

Jay wrote:

uziq wrote:

as the person advocating doing nothing during a pandemic which is many times more dangerous than flu, i suggest you are the idiot in this scenario.

Many times? OK. Math hard. Math say shut down of whole economy stupid. Math say old people die at high rate. Math say young people ok. Listen to math. Math good. Uzi retarded.

math say 100,000 people dead in 4 months. math say 5-15% of people have antibodies to virus. math say virus not go away. math say another wave in autumn. math say plenty more people left to get infected and die.

I can't think of any reason to travel to Australia anyway. We have kangaroos in zoos.

it's a crowded field.

Dilbert_X wrote:

So once again you don't care about old people dying, just as long as you can offload your miserable kids onto daycare as soon as possible.

Child care is a huge concern for every parent. I know you have zero experience, but watching kids while working does neither the parent or the child any good. Many mothers will be forced to drop out of the workforce if no child care is available.

Jay wrote:

Larssen wrote:

Statistical asymmetry is unavoidable as most predominantly immigrant communities are also (very) poor, have high unemployment, have bad or at best brittle relations with surrounding communities and suffer high crime rates as a result of these factors. Emergency hotline deployments and subsequent policing are far, far more common than in any other community. Of course that means more arrests and killings will happen in immigrant neighbourhoods and involving immigrants. Relatively it will be much more compared to white populations.

If the UK fatality rate of black people is even 5 times as high as the average it would still be among the lowest overall rates on the planet. Of course perhaps cause for concern, but nonetheless pretty damn good.

I drew an equivalence based on your comment. The largest pegida demonstrations drew almost 30.000 people. Still didn't justify the cause. Anyway, as I stated, protest in people's own context and with their own grievances, fine. But to speak of police brutality when there barely is any, gtfo.

Oh and it was a train in belgium.

If you said any of this in the US you'd be labeled a racist. The problem is systemic racism and oppression. Those blacks in your statistics are poor because white people exploited them and marginalized them, not due to any of their own personal choices. Those cops need to understand that the reasons police get involved isn't to stop crime, it's to crack down on culture.

Your opinion as a straight white male can not encompass the experience of growing up in a patriarchal society as a marginalized and persecuted person of color. Instead of criticizing your ethnic minorities and saying they earn extra policing, you need to check your privilege.

Hold on now, I'm not about to totally blame immigrants for their circumstances. People's environment, context, peers - all are definitely part of their experience and opportunities in life.

That said, the above points I made I consider to be far more important than tackling the nebulous covert enemy that is systemic racism. Knowing some posters here I'll always have to include a disclaimer with such a remark - racism exists and is an issue and yes it's evident police in the US has a penchant of being extra violent against and around black people. Nonetheless, poor black communities still aren't going to flourish even if all cops were ordered to no longer shoot at any black person, or if universities and educational institutes/government agencies etc. were to implement affirmative action to an extreme extent. The poor black communities will remain predominantly black and poor, wealth will continue to be sucked out of them by multinationals and the now plentiful windfalls/opportunities will still only help some select people escape that environment.

i.e. we need a different approach. Now que uzique excreting some more verbal diarrhoea on the plight of the oppressed, the justness of all riots around the world and how my liberalism is naive and misguided while offering no valuable idea in return.

@macbeth: nowhere did I state that I found the domino-effect (hint) in this event through multiple countries/cultures unusual. I simply disagree with much of it for reasons I've already clearly outlined.

edit: I realise the concept of systemic racism has ballooned to the point where it includes any and every societal facet in which we can trace disproportionate disadvantage on the part of ethnic or racially delineated communities - call it what you will, though it always emphasises race, ethnicity and colour in any analysis while I'd like to move to other points of emphasis that may be more productive. i.e. simply tackling the unemployment, lack of wealth etc. in given areas first while being mindful of the racial aspects second.

Last edited by Larssen (2020-06-06 09:00:43)

Larssen wrote:

Jay wrote:

Larssen wrote:

Statistical asymmetry is unavoidable as most predominantly immigrant communities are also (very) poor, have high unemployment, have bad or at best brittle relations with surrounding communities and suffer high crime rates as a result of these factors. Emergency hotline deployments and subsequent policing are far, far more common than in any other community. Of course that means more arrests and killings will happen in immigrant neighbourhoods and involving immigrants. Relatively it will be much more compared to white populations.

If the UK fatality rate of black people is even 5 times as high as the average it would still be among the lowest overall rates on the planet. Of course perhaps cause for concern, but nonetheless pretty damn good.

I drew an equivalence based on your comment. The largest pegida demonstrations drew almost 30.000 people. Still didn't justify the cause. Anyway, as I stated, protest in people's own context and with their own grievances, fine. But to speak of police brutality when there barely is any, gtfo.

Oh and it was a train in belgium.

If you said any of this in the US you'd be labeled a racist. The problem is systemic racism and oppression. Those blacks in your statistics are poor because white people exploited them and marginalized them, not due to any of their own personal choices. Those cops need to understand that the reasons police get involved isn't to stop crime, it's to crack down on culture.

Your opinion as a straight white male can not encompass the experience of growing up in a patriarchal society as a marginalized and persecuted person of color. Instead of criticizing your ethnic minorities and saying they earn extra policing, you need to check your privilege.

Hold on now, I'm not about to totally blame immigrants for their circumstances. People's environment, context, peers - all are definitely part of their experience and opportunities in life.

That said, the above points I made I consider to be far more important than tackling the nebulous covert enemy that is systemic racism. Knowing some posters here I'll always have to include a disclaimer with such a remark - racism exists and is an issue and yes it's evident police in the US has a penchant of being extra violent against and around black people. Nonetheless, poor black communities still aren't going to flourish even if all cops were ordered to no longer shoot at any black person, or if universities and educational institutes/government agencies etc. were to implement affirmative action to an extreme extent. The poor black communities will remain predominantly black and poor, wealth will continue to be sucked out of them by multinationals and the now plentiful windfalls/opportunities will still only help some select people escape that environment.

i.e. we need a different approach. Now que uzique excreting some more verbal diarrhoea on the plight of the oppressed, the justness of all riots around the world and how my liberalism is naive and misguided while offering no valuable idea in return.

@macbeth: nowhere did I state that I found the domino-effect (hint) in this event through multiple countries/cultures unusual. I simply disagree with much of it for reasons I've already clearly outlined.

edit: I realise the concept of systemic racism has ballooned to the point where it includes any and every societal facet in which we can trace disproportionate disadvantage on the part of ethnic or racially delineated communities - call it what you will, though it always emphasises race, ethnicity and colour in any analysis while I'd like to move to other points of emphasis that may be more productive. i.e. simply tackling the unemployment, lack of wealth etc. in given areas first while being mindful of the racial aspects second.

Yeah, so you fell into the trap. Do you realize how easy it is to manipulate you by calling you a racist? You just bent over backwards to explain yourself.

Uziq, I argue that fixing wealth disparity, poverty and unemployment esp. in poor communities - which are majority immigrant and/or black- will go leaps and bounds in addressing or fixing perceptions of racism, the prevalence of crime in these communities and the outsized presence/heavy handedness of police in these areas. Thankfully these issues are also much more tangible and easily identifiable than trying to curb unconscious or covert racism on a national scale through awareness campaigns and affirmative action.

Last edited by Larssen (2020-06-06 11:29:38)