"If a city or state refuses to take the actions necessary to defend the life and property of their residents, then I will deploy the United States military and quickly solve the problem for them," Mr Trump said.
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Removing life and property by levelling the city solves the problem. Hard to argue with that logicDilbert_X wrote:
Holy fuck, he's actually unhinged."If a city or state refuses to take the actions necessary to defend the life and property of their residents, then I will deploy the United States military and quickly solve the problem for them," Mr Trump said.
We aren't France. We don't look at rioting as a rite of passage.uziq wrote:
i am amazed how quickly the federal government can bark at state-level leaders and coordinate a militarized response to civil protest.
and yet, +6 months into a pandemic, the same leadership are still kicking responsibility into the long grass.
just goes to show what's more important in america. queue-n-consume order and glass storefronts.
said no sapient being in the history of the multiverse.Jay wrote:
a good monologue by Tucker Carlson
your country was founded in rioting and commemorates said rebellion.Jay wrote:
We aren't France. We don't look at rioting as a rite of passage.uziq wrote:
i am amazed how quickly the federal government can bark at state-level leaders and coordinate a militarized response to civil protest.
and yet, +6 months into a pandemic, the same leadership are still kicking responsibility into the long grass.
just goes to show what's more important in america. queue-n-consume order and glass storefronts.
Who's the thick one here? Who's been the one ranting that no one needs guns and that right wing people with guns are a danger and that the only people that should have weapons are cops? You, you dumb fuck.uziq wrote:
your country was founded in rioting and commemorates said rebellion.Jay wrote:
We aren't France. We don't look at rioting as a rite of passage.uziq wrote:
i am amazed how quickly the federal government can bark at state-level leaders and coordinate a militarized response to civil protest.
and yet, +6 months into a pandemic, the same leadership are still kicking responsibility into the long grass.
just goes to show what's more important in america. queue-n-consume order and glass storefronts.
what the FUCK are you talking about? 'civil disobedience' is one of the very central tenets of the american 'philosophy'. it's right there in thoreau.
my god you are one illiterate bootlicking piglet..
Who's the thick one here? Who's been the one ranting that no one needs guns and that right wing people with guns are a danger and that the only people that should have weapons are cops? You, you dumb fuck.uziq wrote:
your country was founded in rioting and commemorates said rebellion.Jay wrote:
We aren't France. We don't look at rioting as a rite of passage.uziq wrote:
i am amazed how quickly the federal government can bark at state-level leaders and coordinate a militarized response to civil protest.
and yet, +6 months into a pandemic, the same leadership are still kicking responsibility into the long grass.
just goes to show what's more important in america. queue-n-consume order and glass storefronts.
what the FUCK are you talking about? 'civil disobedience' is one of the very central tenets of the american 'philosophy'. it's right there in thoreau.
my god you are one illiterate bootlicking piglet..
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I'm a libertarian that believes in the Non-Aggression Principle. I believe people forfeit their right to non-violent response when they commit violent acts. I believe that failure to use peer pressure to condemn violence is an act of complicit violence. I don't feel bad when violent agitators get batoned just like I don't feel bad if an internet troll gets punched in the mouth. Words can be violence too. I don't believe that consequence free environments should exist in any form.uziq wrote:
the vast majority of protests are peaceful, precisely civil disobedience. trump's ploy to make out that 'antifa' are organizing nationwide to loot and pillage handily skirts over, and thus dismisses, the legitimate concerns and peaceful protests of most people. the entire racial aspect has hardly been acknowledged by trump or the white house: it's all lefty this, fake news that, antifa terrorism, blah blah blah.
there are countless videos in this thread alone where police are dispersing peaceful protestors by force. trump just cleared out a peaceful protest, sanctioned and allowed, within the limits of a curfew, using teargas and stun grenades, so that he could take a stroll for a photo-opportunity. how is that democracy? where was the riot? where was the looting? your democratic rights, your fundamental american right to civil disobedience, are being trampled by gung-ho policing and now the military. not good.
yes, all those people self-defending themselves with guns (or a bow-and-arrow, or a machete) turned out so well. bludgeoned half into comas and kicked into a pile of bloodied bones. what we need are all those fatsos with AR-15s who liked the photo-op at the capitol building to come out and spray down some crowds! the pro-gun arguments work so well!
what sort of libertarian, are you, anyway? one in support of police shooting people stood peacefully on their own property? one where protestors are dismissed and people being knocked over by cops shrugged at? funny sort of liberty you espouse. you sound more like an authoritarian who is out to filch and line his own pockets from those whom you curry favour.
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That was already exposed and widely known. Do you think violent protest against cops will make cops change their behavior, or will it harden them?Larssen wrote:
It's funny how you think riots in 50+ cities are all just looters and criminals. Ah well, sometimes society needs a little violence to be compelled to change. What this accomplishes is expose excessively violent police departments all over the country.
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beautiful logic!Jay wrote:
When has the reactionary crackdown ever been lighter than the original violence?
Seeing as how the torturous murder of one man sparked riots all over the country and damages in billions, your cops better get the message.Jay wrote:
That was already exposed and widely known. Do you think violent protest against cops will make cops change their behavior, or will it harden them?Larssen wrote:
It's funny how you think riots in 50+ cities are all just looters and criminals. Ah well, sometimes society needs a little violence to be compelled to change. What this accomplishes is expose excessively violent police departments all over the country.
that's greeeeaaaaat and all but none of it addresses the fact that dozens of peaceful protests are, daily, recorded and uploaded, being dispersed by over-zealous policing. old men being knocked over with nothing-the-fuck to do with violence or inciting thereof. what do you say to that? you two pages ago just argued people 'were just getting paintballed' when cops rolled down their street and took pot-shots at them on their own porch. peacefully assembled people in their own home, on private property. two pages ago you just greeted a video of a woman being shoved to the floor with 'what do you expect, being there? dumb bitch'.Jay wrote:
I'm a libertarian that believes in the Non-Aggression Principle. I believe people forfeit their right to non-violent response when they commit violent acts. I believe that failure to use peer pressure to condemn violence is an act of complicit violence. I don't feel bad when violent agitators get batoned just like I don't feel bad if an internet troll gets punched in the mouth. Words can be violence too. I don't believe that consequence free environments should exist in any form.uziq wrote:
the vast majority of protests are peaceful, precisely civil disobedience. trump's ploy to make out that 'antifa' are organizing nationwide to loot and pillage handily skirts over, and thus dismisses, the legitimate concerns and peaceful protests of most people. the entire racial aspect has hardly been acknowledged by trump or the white house: it's all lefty this, fake news that, antifa terrorism, blah blah blah.
there are countless videos in this thread alone where police are dispersing peaceful protestors by force. trump just cleared out a peaceful protest, sanctioned and allowed, within the limits of a curfew, using teargas and stun grenades, so that he could take a stroll for a photo-opportunity. how is that democracy? where was the riot? where was the looting? your democratic rights, your fundamental american right to civil disobedience, are being trampled by gung-ho policing and now the military. not good.
yes, all those people self-defending themselves with guns (or a bow-and-arrow, or a machete) turned out so well. bludgeoned half into comas and kicked into a pile of bloodied bones. what we need are all those fatsos with AR-15s who liked the photo-op at the capitol building to come out and spray down some crowds! the pro-gun arguments work so well!
what sort of libertarian, are you, anyway? one in support of police shooting people stood peacefully on their own property? one where protestors are dismissed and people being knocked over by cops shrugged at? funny sort of liberty you espouse. you sound more like an authoritarian who is out to filch and line his own pockets from those whom you curry favour.
I am a libertarian, not an anarchist. I recognize that there needs to be a criminal justice system in place to keep the peace and limit aggression. I do not desire to descend with my fellow man into a state of nature.
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Why is highlighting a universal truth condoning it? I am saying the reaction was inevitable, and was expected and embraced. They knew what they were doing when they tossed molotov cocktails at police officers. There's no innocence or ignorance to fall back on.uziq wrote:
beautiful logic!Jay wrote:
When has the reactionary crackdown ever been lighter than the original violence?
why is the libertarian justifying state repression and crackdowns? why are you condoning the use of force by a government upon its citizens at all?
you need to examine your political ideology. it's due for an update. maybe reach for another impressive-sounding label. fascist is one.
And let the criminals dictate acceptable behavior? You don't know many cops, do you?Larssen wrote:
Seeing as how the torturous murder of one man sparked riots all over the country and damages in billions, your cops better get the message.Jay wrote:
That was already exposed and widely known. Do you think violent protest against cops will make cops change their behavior, or will it harden them?Larssen wrote:
It's funny how you think riots in 50+ cities are all just looters and criminals. Ah well, sometimes society needs a little violence to be compelled to change. What this accomplishes is expose excessively violent police departments all over the country.
Had their culture not condoned excessive violence and apparently racist behaviour, there would be no riots such as this.Jay wrote:
And let the criminals dictate acceptable behavior? You don't know many cops, do you?Larssen wrote:
Seeing as how the torturous murder of one man sparked riots all over the country and damages in billions, your cops better get the message.Jay wrote:
That was already exposed and widely known. Do you think violent protest against cops will make cops change their behavior, or will it harden them?
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