Race relations thread

2020-05-31 07:53:38

#1376

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +640|3934

Jay wrote:
SuperJail Warden wrote:
Jay wrote:

They're not there to fight. They're walking around with unloaded weapons. Their gun is a prop and the only reason they carry it is because they know it will make left wing people uncomfortable and upset. They're being provocative, not looking to start a revolution. These people like to focus on the aftermath of their protests too. They'll show their own protests with spotless grounds left behind, compared to left wing protests full of trash and fired police vehicles. It's all theater.
I'm not saying they would get into a shootout with police. I am saying that if the government dropped a few of them at a protest, they would stop showing up to places like that and just complain about it on their websites. In all likelihood a bunch of them would be scared off of protesting period. I mentioned before how the conservative white community doesn't value their lives so I wouldn't expect mass demonstrations like we have now either. And don't go on about spotless protest areas. I can google dirty conservative rallies too.
Yes, because they tend to be older, have families and businesses they are responsible for etc. They're not out there to die. They're out there to rally and to support their 2nd amendment rights. The ones that are out there to mix it up are the younger ones that most likely got into it to be edgy, since all their peers were talking about Marx all the time. They'll wilt too. These people, left and right, only feel powerful when they're in a group.

What did the second Amendment have to do with the pandemic lock down?

And no one talks about Marx in real life. Maybe in a college classroom but no one goes to a hipster bar or millennial cafe and talks Marx. You sound like an old person.

2020-05-31 08:07:58

#1377

uziq: Member; +493|3667

he sounds like a person whose entire worldview is scraped from bad right-wing blogs and pundits.

2020-05-31 08:23:43

#1378

Larssen: Member; +99|2102

Ol' Karl is not the bad guy jay

2020-05-31 08:26:37

#1379

uziq: Member; +493|3667

Larssen wrote:
Ol' Karl is not the bad guy jay

https://twitter.com/illh0eminati/status … 23617?s=21

a thread for you the next time you feel like getting angry people are protesting in the UK about police violence.

2020-05-31 08:27:08

#1380

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5573|London, England

SuperJail Warden wrote:
Jay wrote:
SuperJail Warden wrote:

I'm not saying they would get into a shootout with police. I am saying that if the government dropped a few of them at a protest, they would stop showing up to places like that and just complain about it on their websites. In all likelihood a bunch of them would be scared off of protesting period. I mentioned before how the conservative white community doesn't value their lives so I wouldn't expect mass demonstrations like we have now either. And don't go on about spotless protest areas. I can google dirty conservative rallies too.
Yes, because they tend to be older, have families and businesses they are responsible for etc. They're not out there to die. They're out there to rally and to support their 2nd amendment rights. The ones that are out there to mix it up are the younger ones that most likely got into it to be edgy, since all their peers were talking about Marx all the time. They'll wilt too. These people, left and right, only feel powerful when they're in a group.
What did the second Amendment have to do with the pandemic lock down?

And no one talks about Marx in real life. Maybe in a college classroom but no one goes to a hipster bar or millennial cafe and talks Marx. You sound like an old person.

The 2nd Amendment people always get the majority of the media attention. They are part of every right wing protest group. If they're legally allowed to carry their rifles in public, they will do so. They became the face of the Michigan protests because people with guns are scary. The regular people without guns were just made fun of for their stupid signs talking about haircuts.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2020-05-31 08:33:15

#1381

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +640|3934

Jay wrote:
SuperJail Warden wrote:
Jay wrote:

Yes, because they tend to be older, have families and businesses they are responsible for etc. They're not out there to die. They're out there to rally and to support their 2nd amendment rights. The ones that are out there to mix it up are the younger ones that most likely got into it to be edgy, since all their peers were talking about Marx all the time. They'll wilt too. These people, left and right, only feel powerful when they're in a group.
What did the second Amendment have to do with the pandemic lock down?

And no one talks about Marx in real life. Maybe in a college classroom but no one goes to a hipster bar or millennial cafe and talks Marx. You sound like an old person.
The 2nd Amendment people always get the majority of the media attention. They are part of every right wing protest group. If they're legally allowed to carry their rifles in public, they will do so. They became the face of the Michigan protests because people with guns are scary. The regular people without guns were just made fun of for their stupid signs talking about haircuts.

That says a lot about your movement then if the people with guns are showing up to each one to annoy as many people as possible. Democrat rallies don't feature people showing up with...I don't know. There is just no equivalent to a rifle.

2020-05-31 08:34:53

#1382

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +640|3934

uziq wrote:
Larssen wrote:
Ol' Karl is not the bad guy jay
https://twitter.com/illh0eminati/status … 23617?s=21

a thread for you the next time you feel like getting angry people are protesting in the UK about police violence.

If I make a Twatter account will the section that says "More Tweets" go away?

I feel like the fact that Twitter throws more random stuff at you like this is one reason why the platform is so shitty.

2020-05-31 08:37:11

#1383

Larssen: Member; +99|2102

uziq wrote:
Larssen wrote:
Ol' Karl is not the bad guy jay
https://twitter.com/illh0eminati/status … 23617?s=21

a thread for you the next time you feel like getting angry people are protesting in the UK about police violence.

Oh i'm perfectly fine with protest about UK police violence in a UK context. I'm not fine with US social issues being exported to Europe. Crystal clear point.

2020-05-31 08:38:27

#1384

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +640|3934

Larssen wrote:
uziq wrote:
Larssen wrote:
Ol' Karl is not the bad guy jay
https://twitter.com/illh0eminati/status … 23617?s=21

a thread for you the next time you feel like getting angry people are protesting in the UK about police violence.
Oh i'm perfectly fine with protest about UK police violence in a UK context. I'm not fine with US social issues being exported to Europe. Crystal clear point.

We felt the same way about World War 2.

2020-05-31 08:39:02

#1385

uziq: Member; +493|3667

it is not exactly a gross inconvenience to click 'show this thread'. i am not responsible for twitter's design decisions. i view it on my phone.

2020-05-31 08:41:08

#1386

uziq: Member; +493|3667

Larssen wrote:
uziq wrote:
Larssen wrote:
Ol' Karl is not the bad guy jay
https://twitter.com/illh0eminati/status … 23617?s=21

a thread for you the next time you feel like getting angry people are protesting in the UK about police violence.
Oh i'm perfectly fine with protest about UK police violence in a UK context. I'm not fine with US social issues being exported to Europe. Crystal clear point.

but 'black lives matter' and its message is pretty simple. 'silence is complicity'. what's wrong with people standing up for those affected in this way?

why does it matter that the historical circumstances of african americans are different from british-africans? it is purely pedantic in the context of protest.

2020-05-31 08:42:35

#1387

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5573|London, England

SuperJail Warden wrote:
Jay wrote:
SuperJail Warden wrote:

What did the second Amendment have to do with the pandemic lock down?

And no one talks about Marx in real life. Maybe in a college classroom but no one goes to a hipster bar or millennial cafe and talks Marx. You sound like an old person.
The 2nd Amendment people always get the majority of the media attention. They are part of every right wing protest group. If they're legally allowed to carry their rifles in public, they will do so. They became the face of the Michigan protests because people with guns are scary. The regular people without guns were just made fun of for their stupid signs talking about haircuts.
That says a lot about your movement then if the people with guns are showing up to each one to annoy as many people as possible. Democrat rallies don't feature people showing up with...I don't know. There is just no equivalent to a rifle.

How about black pajamas and face masks? Each side has their bogeymen.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2020-05-31 08:43:26

#1388

uziq: Member; +493|3667

https://twitter.com/Beltrew/status/1266966407088136192

how is this even justified?

2020-05-31 08:44:52

#1389

RTHKI: mmmf mmmf mmmf; +1,741|6952|Oxferd Ohire

Not even the righties are trying to justify that one

2020-05-31 08:45:53

#1390

uziq: Member; +493|3667

Jay wrote:
uziq wrote:
there was a protestor on twitter who got pushed over by NYPD and spend the night in hospital with concussion or something. there's video from several angles and she didn't do anything. i don't think she even had a placard. some huge meaty NYPD guy was walking by and pushed her over haaaaard. they really don't do themselves any favours.
Then why was she there? She wants to play the victim now? Oh boo hoo

https://twitter.com/TruthEphemeral/stat … 8168076290

please spin these for me, jay.

2020-05-31 08:49:32

#1391

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5573|London, England

uziq wrote:
https://twitter.com/Beltrew/status/1266966407088136192

how is this even justified?

My cousin's entire downtown section of his neighborhood in Minneapolis has been burned to the ground. They've had to set up a neighborhood watch armed with garden hoses to keep outsiders off their street. The looters and activists are driving around with out of state plates on their vehicles, running people over and looking to start problems and fires. Most of the people arrested have been out of state residents. The city now has a strict curfew and everyone is being forced to stay off the streets so that order can be restored. She was shot with a paintball. She'll survive.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2020-05-31 08:50:54

#1392

uziq: Member; +493|3667

OK fair game, get shot when on your own property during a curfew. makes total sense. 'but there's bad people about!' totally good justification for the police acting like bad people.

you'd be right at home in quisling's scandinavia.

2020-05-31 08:51:35

#1393

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +640|3934

Jay wrote:
uziq wrote:
https://twitter.com/Beltrew/status/1266966407088136192

how is this even justified?
My cousin's entire downtown section of his neighborhood in Minneapolis has been burned to the ground. They've had to set up a neighborhood watch armed with garden hoses to keep outsiders off their street. The looters and activists are driving around with out of state plates on their vehicles, running people over and looking to start problems and fires. Most of the people arrested have been out of state residents. The city now has a strict curfew and everyone is being forced to stay off the streets so that order can be restored. She was shot with a paintball. She'll survive.

How can you call yourself a libertarian and also be okay with police officers shooting people on their doorsteps with paintballs?

2020-05-31 08:51:51

#1394

Larssen: Member; +99|2102

uziq wrote:
Larssen wrote:
uziq wrote:

https://twitter.com/illh0eminati/status … 23617?s=21

a thread for you the next time you feel like getting angry people are protesting in the UK about police violence.
Oh i'm perfectly fine with protest about UK police violence in a UK context. I'm not fine with US social issues being exported to Europe. Crystal clear point.
but 'black lives matter' and its message is pretty simple. 'silence is complicity'. what's wrong with people standing up for those affected in this way?

why does it matter that the historical circumstances of african americans are different from british-africans? it is purely pedantic in the context of protest.

I am not okay with the associated identity divides influencing and overriding local context. Perhaps it's more relevant in the UK than the rest of continental Europe, but I would strongly resist a devolution of identity divides into 'black' 'white' inbetween or otherwise the creation of a manufactured rift along skin colour. Literally nothing good comes from it. Likewise I never refer to myself as a 'white man' and don't accept others doing so. It's an american terminology relevant to an american context that loses all meaning in Europe.

2020-05-31 08:54:06

#1395

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5573|London, England

uziq wrote:
Jay wrote:
uziq wrote:
there was a protestor on twitter who got pushed over by NYPD and spend the night in hospital with concussion or something. there's video from several angles and she didn't do anything. i don't think she even had a placard. some huge meaty NYPD guy was walking by and pushed her over haaaaard. they really don't do themselves any favours.
Then why was she there? She wants to play the victim now? Oh boo hoo
https://twitter.com/TruthEphemeral/stat … 8168076290

please spin these for me, jay.

I see people getting what they're asking for. Some stuff is a bit over the top, like the woman getting maced while walking away. But a line of people antagonizing cops and hitting them and then getting upset and playing the victim when the cops fight back? Yeah, ok.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2020-05-31 08:56:03

#1396

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5573|London, England

SuperJail Warden wrote:
Jay wrote:
uziq wrote:
https://twitter.com/Beltrew/status/1266966407088136192

how is this even justified?
My cousin's entire downtown section of his neighborhood in Minneapolis has been burned to the ground. They've had to set up a neighborhood watch armed with garden hoses to keep outsiders off their street. The looters and activists are driving around with out of state plates on their vehicles, running people over and looking to start problems and fires. Most of the people arrested have been out of state residents. The city now has a strict curfew and everyone is being forced to stay off the streets so that order can be restored. She was shot with a paintball. She'll survive.
How can you call yourself a libertarian and also be okay with police officers shooting people on their doorsteps with paintballs?

How does the cop know she's on her own doorstep? How does the cop know she doesn't have a gun? It's just a paintball.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2020-05-31 08:56:16

#1397

uziq: Member; +493|3667

Jay wrote:
uziq wrote:
Jay wrote:

Then why was she there? She wants to play the victim now? Oh boo hoo
https://twitter.com/TruthEphemeral/stat … 8168076290

please spin these for me, jay.
I see people getting what they're asking for. Some stuff is a bit over the top, like the woman getting maced while walking away. But a line of people antagonizing cops and hitting them and then getting upset and playing the victim when the cops fight back? Yeah, ok.

what are police for? it's not a playground fight. 'getting what they asked for'? those people are paying for the police's wages. what are the police FOR?

2020-05-31 08:58:04

#1398

uziq: Member; +493|3667

Larssen wrote:
uziq wrote:
Larssen wrote:

Oh i'm perfectly fine with protest about UK police violence in a UK context. I'm not fine with US social issues being exported to Europe. Crystal clear point.
but 'black lives matter' and its message is pretty simple. 'silence is complicity'. what's wrong with people standing up for those affected in this way?

why does it matter that the historical circumstances of african americans are different from british-africans? it is purely pedantic in the context of protest.
I am not okay with the associated identity divides influencing and overriding local context. Perhaps it's more relevant in the UK than the rest of continental Europe, but I would strongly resist a devolution of identity divides into 'black' 'white' inbetween or otherwise the creation of a manufactured rift along skin colour. Literally nothing good comes from it. Likewise I never refer to myself as a 'white man' and don't accept others doing so. It's an american terminology relevant to an american context that loses all meaning in Europe.

but it doesn't over-ride local context. there is plenty of local context in these protests. you think because they adopt a banner or a rallying cry that they're importing american race relations into britain/belgium? i am totally stupefied by your views on this.

ideas take root in many different places, wherever they have purchase. you're acting like people protesting in london are roleplaying as american black people or something, which just isn't true.

2020-05-31 08:58:33

#1399

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5573|London, England

uziq wrote:
Jay wrote:
uziq wrote:

https://twitter.com/TruthEphemeral/stat … 8168076290

please spin these for me, jay.
I see people getting what they're asking for. Some stuff is a bit over the top, like the woman getting maced while walking away. But a line of people antagonizing cops and hitting them and then getting upset and playing the victim when the cops fight back? Yeah, ok.
what are police for? it's not a playground fight. 'getting what they asked for'? those people are paying for the police's wages. what are the police FOR?

They only exist to maintain and/or restore order.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2020-05-31 08:59:27

#1400

Pochsy: Artifice of Eternity; +702|5758|Toronto

Civil disobedience is still disobedience?

The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families

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